A Message From the Boy Scouts of America [Just Got Their Pathetic Fundraising Email]

Boy Scouts office of Development and Corporate Alliances | 5/24/13 | Craig H Shelley

[Jack Hydrazine]

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/05/23/Secrecy-and-Heavy-Handed-Tactics-Reported-at-Boy-Scouts-Meeting

[highball]

There are traditionalists - the Baden Powell Service Association.

They’ve been around since the 70’s when the Boy Scouts first started admitting women and permitting women as leaders.

You can find their guidelines here. http://bpsa-us.org/about/policies-guidelines/

There’s no need to start a brand new organization - there’s already an organization right there that actually follows Robert Baden Powell’s regulations.

I don't think you've actually read the BPSA's policies you linked to.

Section 4. Policy of Inclusion

(i) BPSA offers a choice for those with curiosity, energy and independence of spirit. We are committed to providing an appropriate alternative and community-oriented Scouting experience. BPSA welcomes everyone, regardless of race, gender, sexual orientation, religion (or no-religion) or other differentiating factors.

Emphasis mine.

The Baden-Powell Service Association uses the word "traditional" in the sense that they don't have a bloated central bureaucracy, nor do they have all the modern merit badges. "Traditional scouting" means a "back to basics" approach to woodsman skills. Not in the sense of traditional values in the way you're thinking.

[Christie at the beach]

So many are being indoctrinated (in schools-by the media too/advertising) with this idea of same sex relationships have no downfall affects to their lives/bodies. Immaturity is the wrong time of ones life to be mislead. It seems that right now many pre teens to teens don’t see it as a destructive behavior.

[CottShop]

I read today it was a vote of 1140 people I beleive and 61% of them voted for it- however, when the scout groups in conservative states and communities weighed in abotu hte vote in which they had no part, they were all asgaisnt it which tells me that the vote was probably taken amoung mostly liberal people

[SaraJohnson]

Bigger question - does this in any way address scoutmaters? That is the real problem. Where does this stand?

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Actually, perv rings get teens they have recruited to diddle younger boys, grooming them for the adults whose preference if for young boys. They use young people to expand their pool of victims.

[MacNaughton]

66 The Baden-Powel Scout association is one, but it is coed, which I am not in favor of. M Boys and Men these days have more than enough influence from girls and women. Far too much. http://bpsa-us.org/

They also do not discriminate against sexual orientation.

[MacNaughton]

75 There are traditionalists - the Baden Powell Service Association. They’ve been around since the 70’s when the Boy Scouts first started admitting women and permitting women as leaders. You can find their guidelines here. ... There’s no need to start a brand new organization - there’s already an organization right there that actually follows Robert Baden Powell’s regulations.

You might want to check a little closer. They do not discriminate against sexual orientation. BPSA got started in the '70s because Scouting associations across the globe started to urbanize their programs and taking the "outing" from "Scouting."

[MacNaughton]

80 Yep, the RCC is about the only ones who do not support it, but there’s plenty of low hanging fruits still about. You’ll be seeing the push in the Baptist church - that will be where the fight is now. The concept that ‘we should follow society or follow Christ’. I don’t envy the Baptists, and we’ll see what happens now. I’m not sure how long they will hold out for.

Sorry, the RCC, up to this point, has said that it will go along with the new membership change. That could well change over the next 7 months before the change goes into effect. The only 4 denominations, to date, to specifically condemn the change have been (1) Southern Baptist Convention, (2) Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod, (3) Assembly of God, and (4) Presbyterian Church in America.

[JCBreckenridge]

Where did you read that? That one thread where one guy gave his opinion?

No - we aren’t going to go along with it.

[JCBreckenridge]

I see that’s the case. I knew there was a reason we didn’t go BPSA back in the 90s.

[MacNaughton]

129 Where did you read that? That one thread where one guy gave his opinion? No - we aren’t going to go along with it.

2/07/2013 - A Letter from Col. (Ret.) John J. Halloran Jr., National Chair
http://www.nccs-bsa.org/BSAComment.htm

5/15/2013 - A letter from "Scouts for Equality to Cardinal Dolan
http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/page/local/united-states-conference-of-catholic-bishops/168/

5/19/2013 – Letter from Bishop Robert Guglielmone (Diocese of Charleston, SC) of the National Catholic Committee on Scouting to the homosexual activist group, Scouts for Equality.
http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/page/local/the-diocese-of-charleston/166/

5/23/2013 – REACTION TO POLICY CHANGE IN MEMBERSHIP STANDARDS FOR THE BOY SCOUTS OF AMERICA, National Catholic Committee on Scouting
http://www.nccs-bsa.org/comment/NCCSComment52313.php

5/24/2013 - Statements about the BSA membership policy change from the Washington and Denver Archdioces.
http://www.catholicherald.com/stories/Reaction-to-Boy-Scouts-decision,22922

5/24/2013 – Statement by Bishop Robert Guglielmone. http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/boys-scouts-of-america-lifts-ban-on-=homosexual-scouts

Bishop Robert Guglielmone, the USCCB episcopal liaison for the National Catholic Committee on Scouting (NCCS), attended the meeting and wasn’t surprised by the result of the vote. “I kind of expected that this is the way the vote would go,” Bishop Guglielmone told the Register. I’m not particularly encouraged by it, but I knew it would happen eventually. As the policy change is right now promoted, we can live with it. Unfortunately, there are many people who are interpreting this policy to go much further than it actually does, particularly in the secular press.”

Bishop Guglielmone believes that the revision is acceptable to Catholics because, in accord with Church teaching, it makes a distinction between same-sex attraction and same-sex actions. “Church teaching is very clear that the homosexual inclination is not sinful and that same-sex attraction is not immoral,” he says, “but that what we’re dealing with here is the distinction between the inclination and the conduct. The standards remain the same as they always have for scouts. Homosexual activity will not be condoned.”

Bishop Guglielmone, who served as the Holy See’s world chaplain to Catholic scouting for 2, 4-year terms (2000-2008), believes Catholic flight would be a mistake. “My concern is that we have well over half a million young people in the program,” he said, “and most of those kids are going to stay no matter what happens. We have a real obligation to stay in dialogue and to stay connected to the program.” Added the bishop, “The leadership of the BSA has made it very clear that they intend to hold the line on adult leaders, but they also said they would hold the line on this issue, so where this could go, I don’t know. That’s why I feel it’s imperative for the Church to continue to be involved. And if it gets to the point where some of our basic issues our threatened such as being able to pick leaders for Catholic chartered groups or in diminishing the role of religion and God, then we will have to re-evaluate our participation in the program at that time.”

[JCBreckenridge]

Like I said previously, one bishop’s opinion is just that - his opinion. Not the opinion of the Church as a whole.

The policy of the Catholic church is very clear - that we don’t tolerate homosexuality and we certainly aren’t going to stick with the BSA while they chart their course to oblivion.

I find it interesting that you seem more interested in attacking the Catholic church and making sure we know that Catholics are the enemy.

[WVKayaker]

The policy of the Catholic church is very clear - that we don’t tolerate homosexuality...

BUT, is it the policy of Roman Catholics?

I am now living in the Philippines. Last night, there was a big event in the local Barangay (political district) featuring a "beauty" pageant of queers (they are anything but 'gay'), and my girlfriend begged me to take here. These pigs strutted in costumery, and showed most of their flesh (except the part that revealed that they are male!).

BUT, before this event, they called the crowd to order and a prayer was led that invoked Christ, all in the name of Roman Catholicism! Nothing was mentioned of the abomination that was about to begin, but all were solemn in their agreement that it was a good thing going on there. They had their little children with them, and it was a great local event.

Your protestations of innocence in the light of these brethren and sistern (sic) of yours do nothing but highlight the hypocrisy of the entire Roman Catholic laity and the lack of proper Biblical/Christian principles in application. When so many Roman Catholic 'priests' have been shown as pedophiles, the leadership has been in denial, and this outright display of homoerotic behavior is applauded, you know it is just a 'religion'. This nation is full of the pseudo-spirituality in the name of Roman Catholicism! Jesus would be ashamed!

For reference, please read this definition:

Hypocrisy is the state of pretending to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that one does not actually have. Hypocrisy involves the deception of others and is thus a kind of lie.

Mark 8: 38 If anyone is ashamed of me and my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man will be ashamed of them when he comes in his Father’s glory with the holy angels.”

For further reference, see: Genesis 19

[St_Thomas_Aquinas]

—— BUT, before this event, they called the crowd to order and a prayer was led that invoked Christ, all in the name of Roman Catholicism! -—

There are 1 billion Catholics.

These pervs represent some weirdo outliers. There is no Catholic police force to round up oddball freaks like this.

The entire Vatican administration is smaller than the administration of the University of Notre Dame, and its resources are 1% of Harvard’s. The Vatican is not all-powerful, as the Dan Browns of the world would have us believe.

[JCBreckenridge]

“BUT, is it the policy of Roman Catholics?”

Does it matter what individuals claiming to be Catholic may believe?

“and my girlfriend begged me to take here. These pigs strutted in costumery, and showed most of their flesh (except the part that revealed that they are male!).”

Is the problem the Catholics, or is the problem that your girlfriend asked to go, or is the problem that you took her there?

“Your protestations of innocence in the light of these brethren and sistern (sic) of yours do nothing but highlight the hypocrisy of the entire Roman Catholic laity”

It was not *my* girlfriend who went, nor was it *me* who took her there.

“When so many Roman Catholic ‘priests’ have been shown as pedophiles”

It has been shown that the propensity of a Catholic priest to abuse children is not greater than of any other denomination.

What church do you belong to?

“This nation is full of the pseudo-spirituality in the name of Roman Catholicism!”

Let me ask you a few questions then.

What is your opinion on pre marital sex?
What is your opinion on contraception?

[WVKayaker]

There are 1 billion Catholics.

So, the Philippine Catholics are different than the rest of the Catholics. They are just "weirdo outliers"...

Hahahahahahahahaaaaaa...

Your rapid, self-serving, and ignorant response is duly noted! I can therefor assume the world of Roman Catholics only includes Rome and the USA, and the rest are just unrelated weirdos!?!

In my p[ost, I noted it was the crowd, not the queers, that were proud to pray over the display of debauchery.. I left right after that!!!

You must be a P.T. Barnum* fan!

ig·no·rant [ig-ner-uhnt]
adjective
1. lacking in knowledge or training; unlearned: an ignorant man.
2. lacking knowledge or information as to a particular subject or fact: ignorant of quantum physics.
3. uninformed; unaware.
4.due to or showing lack of knowledge or training: an ignorant statement.

* "You can fool all the people some of the time, some of the people all the time, but you can't fool all of the people all the time!" ...... (quote also attributed to Abe Lincoln...)

[WVKayaker]

Does it matter what individuals claiming to be Catholic may believe?

Nice try at deflection. You wish to try me in your kangaroo court! I don't bite! It was your post of positive attributes of Roman Catholocism that brought forth my response. I don't claim perfection, and can care less about any pronouncements from your side. I was just noting the world in which we live.

I made that post to demonstrate the ridiculous nature of a man-made religion purporting to follow Christ, but based on worshipping idols and praying to dead people. I see people going to "church" where they are taught they can sin then come and eat some of Christ's body. The garish display and WORSHIP of your golden icons and such betrays the basis of your "religion". God spoke to that long ago! He even gave a full Commandment on the subject, which seems overlooked inside your courts of splendor.

Like Paul, I know in WHOM I have believed, (2 Timothy 1:12) FRiend, not which organization!! I also acknowledge, like Paul, that it is only the Grace of God that redeems me (Romans 3:21 ff), not works or membership!

[super7man]

I hope you did not rag on the Scouts themselves. The Scouts have nothing to do with this.

I think you would have a better target going after the Scouting leadership.

[super7man]

It’s as depressing as can be to consider that a sexual perversion that afflicts such a small number wields such power to disrupt and destroy

Sort of like putting a little dog poop in an omlette. Nobody wants to eat it.

[JCBreckenridge]

“Does it matter what individuals claiming to be Catholic may believe?”

Yes or no, WV Kayaker.

Does it matter what the individual believes or what the Church teaches?

“You wish to try me in your kangaroo court!”

So you support both pre-marital sex and contraception.

“It was your post of positive attributes of Roman Catholocism that brought forth my response.”

Indeed. I can see why someone who hates the Catholic church would be upset by an affirmation of what the Church teaches.

“I don’t claim perfection”

Then why do you hold Catholics to a higher standard than yourself? That’s my point. The Church claims perfection for Church doctrine, not for the individual members of the Church. Individuals sin all the time.

“I was just noting the world in which we live.”

You were noting the world as you live in, and then blasting the Catholic church for not living up to your rules that you yourself don’t even care to follow.

“I made that post to demonstrate the ridiculous nature of a man-made religion purporting to follow Christ”

I ask again - which Church do you belong to?

“worshipping idols and praying to dead people.”

You believe that Abraham is dead?

“I see people going to “church” where they are taught they can sin then come and eat some of Christ’s body.’

Yes, which is why Christ himself teaches that unless you eat of His flesh, you have no life in you.

“The garish display and WORSHIP of your golden icons and such betrays the basis of your “religion”.”

So why not rip and tear them down for blaspheming against God?

“Like Paul, I know in WHOM I have believed, (2 Timothy 1:12) FRiend, not which organization!! I also acknowledge, like Paul, that it is only the Grace of God that redeems me (Romans 3:21 ff), not works or membership!”

Do you even attend a Church?

What is your opinion on contraception and pre marital sex. Since you’re such a holy man and all.