White House: Boston Bombing Suspect Won’t Be Charged as ‘Enemy Combatant’

The Blaze ^ | Apr. 22, 2013 | Billy Hallowell

[stuartcr]

ok

[Ben Mugged]

We can fix this with a Republican administration.

[stuartcr]

thanks

[SoCal Pubbie]

“Not as an enemy combatant. Citizens should not be charged as such, it’s a slippery slope. “

Already been done, 71 years ago.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Hans_Haupt

[Mozilla]

On August 10, 1995, McVeigh was indicted on 11 federal counts, including conspiracy to use a weapon of mass destruction, use of a weapon of mass destruction, destruction by explosives and eight counts of first-degree murder.

On June 2, 1997, McVeigh was found guilty on all 11 counts of the federal indictment.

Count 1 — Conspiracy to use a weapon of mass destruction.
G U I L T Y

Count 2 — Use of a weapon of mass destruction.
G U I L T Y

Count 3 — Destruction by explosive of government property.
G U I L T Y

Counts 4 -11 — First degree murder for each of eight federal agents killed in the explosion.
G U I L T Y

With a guilty verdict in the first three counts, they then had to answer this question:

“Do you find that the government proved beyond a reasonable doubt that the crime or crimes committed by the defendant, Timothy James McVeigh, as found above resulted in the death of one or more of the persons named in the indictment?”

Answering yes, the jurors then had to answer this question:

“Was the death of such person or persons a foreseeable result of the defendant’s criminal conduct?”

On June 13, 1997, the jury recommended that McVeigh receive the death penalty.

The U.S. Department of Justice brought federal charges against McVeigh for causing the deaths of eight federal officers leading to a possible death penalty for McVeigh; they could not bring charges against McVeigh for the remaining 160 murders in federal court because those deaths fell under the jurisdiction of the State of Oklahoma. Because McVeigh was convicted and sentenced to death, the State of Oklahoma did not file murder charges against McVeigh for the other 160 deaths.

[Wyatt's Torch]

I’m not sure I have an issue with this as he is an American citizen. The funny thing is that, according to Obama, we could drop him off somewhere and then use a drone to kill him and that’s okay...

[No Truce With Kings]

“How was McVeigh charged?”

As a common criminal.

I understand the visceral desire to see this guy labeled a combatant, but the term “enemy combatant” has a specific legal meaning.

An illegal combatant is not accorded Geneva Convention protections until his or her surrender is accepted. The Geneva Convention specifically allows soldiers to reject the surrender of an illegal combatant (armed and engaging in combat without wearing a uniform and not part of an organized military unit) at which point he could be summarily executed on the battlefield.

Once the surrender of an illegal combatant is accepted he becomes subject to due process of law — either military or
civil, including provisions accorded a regular enemy combatant.

A simple enemy combatant is accorded legal protections. He must be released at the end of the conflict, is not subject to criminal prosecution for battlefield actions consistent with prosecution of a war (killing another soldier in combat) and must be fed, sheltered, and protected.

In exchange for surrender that combatant becomes a prisoner of war, forfeiting combatant priviliges. (One example: an escaping POW who kills or injures someone while escaping can be tried and punished for that.)

These guys should not be dignified with the title of combatant. Technically they are filibusters — the land-going equivalent of pirates. They can be shot out of hand, but once they have surrendered they receive the same rights as any criminal.

Personally, I don't see a dime's worth of difference between these two and any other mass murderer, including Kermit Gossnell. Treat them the same as McVeigh. Give the surviving one a fair trial, convict him, strap him to a gurney and put a needle in his arm.

Works for me because we are a nation of laws, not a place where the king makes the rules.

[Wurlitzer]

How many charges and convictions for Janet Reno and gang for the human bar-b-que she had over a cult which never threatened the US Citizens until the government went after them?

[stuartcr]

Sounds good to me. I was really surprised at how fast McVeigh was executed. Let’s hope this is the same.

[Texas resident]

Don’t hold your breath.
Muslims have a special status in this country courtesy of king obama and his buddy eric holder.

McVeigh was tried convicted and executed quickly.
Swift Justice.

Major nidal hassan is still breathing air.
The muslim kid will get a pass as well.

[Presbyterian Reporter]

Any reason why the FBI waited from April 18th to April 21st to search his dormitory room? Did Obama give the FBI orders to stay away for a few days so TSARNAEV’s handlers could remove incriminating evidence?

“”On April 21, 2013, the FBI searched DZHOKHAR TSARNAEV’s dormitory
room at 7341 Pine Dale Hall at the University of Massachusetts at Dartmouth, pursuant to a search
warrant. The FBI seized from his room, among other things, a large pyrotechnic, a black jacket
and a white hat of the same general appearance as those worn by Bomber Two at the Boston
Marathon on April 15,2013, and BBs.””

[stuartcr]

I guess we’ll have to wait and see.

[next media]

Would they prefer if he was charged as a follower of BObama?...

[Riley]

Technically they are filibusters — the land-going equivalent of pirates.

I learned something today- thank you. I would've guessed it meant that they wouldn't shut up. :-)

[Prospero]

“Although our investigation is ongoing, today’s charges bring a successful end to a tragic week for the city of Boston, and for our country,” Holder said in a statement issued this afternoon.

Interesting selection of words. Criminal negligence or conspiracy designed to facilitate political correctness, or political correctness used to cover criminal negligence and conspiracy.

So it's "all clear," eh? If so, then Boston Perp 2 can't rightly be held under the public safety exception.

All day we've been hearing "Boston officials" claim the brother perps "acted alone."

Does any rational person believe this? Even if the weight of evidence were leaning that way, could it be anything other than premature to announce such unlikely nonsense?

The administration is mad.

[rudabaga]

It was also done recently with Jose Padilla. But it’s a bad idea.

[SoCal Pubbie]

It's an even worse idea to ignore the fact that organized entities are making war on your country, and deliberately choosing to pursue avenues you know will lead to less effective, not to mention agonizingly slow, prosecution of justice and gathering of intelligence to fight those same war making parties.

[truth_seeker]

“Sounds good to me. I was really surprised at how fast McVeigh was executed.”

I hope they first felt all efforts had been exhausted to learn of any collaborators he may have had.

There is suspicion he was executed fast, to avoid him later telling more.

[stuartcr]

That’s what I thought at the time

[jersey117]

I’m sure terrorists everywhere are thinking — that was so freakin easy man, why did we wait so long.