Rand Paul's presence-and-jobs amnesty -- WITHOUT E-Verify

NumbersUSA.com ^ | March 19, 2013 | Roy Beck

[SoConPubbie]

"If we must have an enemy at the head of Government, let it be one whom we can oppose, and for whom we are not responsible, who will not involve our party in the disgrace of his foolish and bad measures." - Alexander Hamilton "We don't intend to turn the Republican Party over to the traitors in the battle just ended. We will have no more of those candidates who are pledged to the same goals as our opposition and who seek our support. Turning the Party over to the so-called moderates wouldn’t make any sense at all." -- President Ronald Reagan "A thing moderately good is not so good as it ought to be. Moderation in temper is always a virtue; but moderation in principle is always a vice." - Thomas Paine 1792 "It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men." - Samuel Adams "If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen." - Samuel Adams

[SoConPubbie]

Rand Paul Doesn't like E-Verify Ping!

OPPOSING E-VERIFY TO KEEP ILLEGAL ALIENS OUT OF JOBS

In one way, Rand Paul's plan is far more radical and pro-illegal-immigration than anything proposed by Pres. Obama or the Gang of Eight, both of whom are at least promising workplace verification to cut off the jobs magnet that has created the giant illegal-alien population in the first place.

My plan . . . will also not have mandatory E-Verify. I don't mind if there's E-Verify, maybe related to the tax code somehow, but I don't like the idea of making every business owner a policeman.

How radical is this idea of not having business owners responsible for avoiding hiring illegal aliens? Well, business responsibility was about the only thing that was given in return for the first (and supposedly last) amnesty in 1986. Sen. Paul today seemed to say that the only thing that should stand from the 1986 compromise was the amnesty itself.

[Theoria]

These recent terror events should slow down the Immigration Decree.

[stephenjohnbanker]

POS Paul must have gotten a huge check from the POS Chamber of Commerce : )

[SoConPubbie]

These recent terror events should slow down the Immigration Decree.

Or these traitorous Pretend conservatives may just try to move it forward while our attention is elsewhere.

There deceit and constant lying about this issue shows they have no ethics.

[SoConPubbie]

POS Paul must have gotten a huge check from the POS Chamber of Commerce : )

Could be, but he sure has done a 180 on this subject ever since he got the idea in his head he could be President.

[Jim Robinson]

FURP!! NO AMNESTY!! Secure the borders!! Announce to the illegals already here to get out now because it’s only going to get rougher for them as we deny them welfare, foodstamps, healthcare, free lunch, and JOBS!! Penalize the employers arrest the perps who knowingly or repeated hire the illegals, esp those who pay them in cash or under the table. Do this and they will self-deport.

[DJ MacWoW]

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[EternalVigilance]

Because of Paul’s libertarian ideology I’m not surprised that he has become a key proponent of amnesty.

However, I don’t support E-Verify either. The idea of a government database with everyone in it alone should appall any lover of liberty. Add to that the fact that every American will be forced to get permission from the bureaucrats in charge of said database to earn their daily bread and you have something that resembles the Soviet Union more than the United States of America.

“Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.”

— Benjamin Franklin

[dangus]

>> However, I don’t support E-Verify either. The idea of a government database with everyone in it alone should appall any lover of liberty. <<

The database already exists. The only thing E-Verify does is identify when someone is using stolen identity.

>> Add to that the fact that every American will be forced to get permission from the bureaucrats in charge of said database to earn their daily bread and you have something that resembles the Soviet Union more than the United States of America. <<

E-Verify does nothing that the IRS and the I-9 form don’t already do in this regard.

[duffee]

“but I don’t like the idea of making every business owner a policeman.”

E-Verify is what keeps the employer from having to make a decision and become a judge or policeman, it is also what protects the employer from our legal system.

[amihow]

Rand paul is more of a Libertarian elevating a false freedom over protection of legal American residents whose jobs and tax dollars are being stolen by illegal invaders. Shame. We need mandatory everify with really punitive sanctions on immoral employers.

Speak up Americans or your country will belong to the invaders.

[Dante3]

exactly. We all should contact our reps in Washington and speak out against amnesty.

[EternalVigilance]

What exists now is not comparable to what will exist once they make it mandadory.

Get rid of all of it. We’re Americans, not subjects of a communist dictatorship.

[PieterCasparzen]

Shame on you guys for talking about enforcing the law !

Americans should leave all political discussions to the tax-exempt foundations that are the policy experts !

If the experts say we need to make non-citizens into citizens, and Ron Paul thinks that’s ok, then that should be ok for all citizens.

Rubio and Paul and other new American leaders are just trying to unify everyone who is within America’s borders, so everyone can harmonize their views with the new world vision of unity.

Once we have complete unification, voting will not be necessary, except for members of the new world party.

They will know what is best.

If you see anyone who you think is a non-citizen, go and help them become a citizen. This will be a start on what you need to do to make up for all of America’s bad actions in the past.

Power to the world force for good !

Do I need the /SARC ?

[SoConPubbie]

FURP!! NO AMNESTY!! Secure the borders!! Announce to the illegals already here to get out now because it’s only going to get rougher for them as we deny them welfare, foodstamps, healthcare, free lunch, and JOBS!! Penalize the employers arrest the perps who knowingly or repeated hire the illegals, esp those who pay them in cash or under the table. Do this and they will self-deport.

Amen Jim!

It really is as simple as "Do the right thing!"

[ex-snook]

Thanks for the ping. It needs some fixing.

" The Republican Party must embrace more legal immigration cheap labor".

Rand just another in the long line of GOP losers who want to export America and expect recovery. FURP

[SoConPubbie]

E-Verify is what keeps the employer from having to make a decision and become a judge or policeman, it is also what protects the employer from our legal system.

That's correct!

[SoConPubbie]

E-Verify does nothing that the IRS and the I-9 form don’t already do in this regard.

Exactly!

The information already exists.

[EternalVigilance]

“The information already exists” is not a logical justification for setting up a system whereby every American must get permission from the government to work, to earn their daily bread.

All supposedly necessitated because those we elect refuse to fulfill their primary duties.