Is America a two party Dictatorship?

17 April 2013 | vannrox

[joethedrummer]

I haven’t been to China, but I’ve worked for months at a time in Europe.
This is a really good article.
We here in the USA have many more ‘Comforts’ than the rest of the world has. But we are frogs in the frying pan. And I for one am feeling that the heat has been notched up enough for me to KNOW that things are slightly more than past the point of discomfort. -It smarts now. All the time.

The point that the German people didn’t realize they had been taken over by a dictatorship really hits home. They THOUGHT they’d “ELECTED” someone via the party. Just like here.
Who still really believes we actually have a say in our nominees??? They appoint them and we play the game of ‘election’, thinking we’ve done our duty.

It seems to me that the Chinese have learned to allow creature comfort ‘freedoms’ to keep the people from getting fed up. Here, they are doing just the opposite. And folks are getting riled up. Which is why this 2nd Amendment battle is being waged so intensely. They KNOW that if they fail to confiscate our means of protection, that the people in this country are being pushed far enough to start pushing back soon.
I truly fear for my children.

[Orangedog]

In the last election, NO ONE talked about freedom. Instead they offered plans for more laws, and more taxes, and more benefits. they offered promises of how they would change the country to make it greater. But none of them talked about Freedom. Not one. That is the problem that I lament.

There was one man running for the white house last year who did talk about freedom. He talked about it quite a bit actually. But people here get their panties in a knot if you say his name. Americans talk a good game on freedom but they don't really want it. Hell, just take a look around you here on this site. They are just fine with people taking their money and being told what they can and can't do so long as the guy running things has the right letter next to his name.

[Notary Sojac]

What we have are the two wings of the Perpetual Incumbency Party.

[Wurlitzer]

Very interesting perspective! Thanks for taking the time to put forth such information.

I know for a fact we are no longer a free country, and now, like our first wookie, I am no longer proud of the USA.

My major problem with China is actually my major problem with any country with a strong central government.

Without exception, when a government, organization, business, church, union, gets too large they become dictators in their own right.

The Founders knew this and did their best to keep our federal government small and we have ignored them.

Our biggest mistake and the one that will bury us has been to allow government to teach our kids. It is amazing all here on the FR who will rail against government this or government that, send their children to government schools and expect a good outcome. BRAIN DEAD!

How on earth can we expect a good future when we allow power hungry government types to influence the ultra susceptible minds of our children from Pre-K to 12th grade and then send some of them to communist infested universities.

No wonder ALL of the media and most citizens are completely ignorant of the brilliance of the Founders and why the country use to be so great and why it now sucks.

If anyone reading this is serious about putting this country back on the path of limited government then do all in your power to keep your kids/grand kids out of public indoctrination centers and do your best to defund these communist institutions. ANY other choice will be contributing to your own enslavement and certainly to a very dark future for future generations.

[Wurlitzer]

The USA only has one political party, the Government party.

This ruling elite party has a left and right wing.

The left wing is filled with people who believe they are enlightened and all others are ignorant but as with everything else the left believes in, they are 100% wrong.

The right wing of the ruling elite leans to the right on occasion not because of a moral or political compass but they lean because they have no spine.

[trubolotta]

We have descended to rule by a single party doctrine of elitism. Most people understand that and while you make some good points, you seem to miss some very important underlying points. I'll just mention a few examples.

I too miss my beer and smokes because the more fundamental right, that of property, is infringed. The restaurant owner has lost that right which is far more important to me than the right to light up. Let the restaurant owner decide that. But your comparison to China and such “rights” dilutes the fundamental argument of property, including the most basic right that I own myself. What property rights are there in China? I'm not saying we don't have a property rights problem here, but let's not compare apples to oranges.

Is there a 1st amendment right to leak state secrets? We could debate what are legitimate state secrets and there are far too many things classified as secrets that should not be, but China has its state secrets as well. You don't mention McCain-Feingold, which is far more important to me than any right to pornography.

I could go on and while I agree with you in basic principle, I think your example of China being more free would be seized by some as a reason we should be more like China. I definitely don't want that. Nonetheless, this is a good post and helps hone in on what is really important though I think it misses the point in some of the examples you give.

[DNME]

Also, glancing down, I have a completely different interpretation of the meaning of the Ninth Amendment.

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So do I, Chad.

I read the Ninth as saying, "Those rights specifically listed in the Constitution are NOT all of the possible rights, and all of THOSE belong to the people."

Sadly, the federal monstrosity has gone WAAAAAAY beyond its limits and needs to be reined in sharply, if that can still be done.

Then again ... I'm fairly comfortable with my town government, especially since I can run into town officials at the supermarket and give them hell. I'm not a big fan of state government, but the state does provide some services that are beyond the town's ability, though supervision is required.

But what the hell good does the federal beast provide for working stiffs like me except to maintain the military? Anything? At all?

If we closed Washington tomorrow, how long would it take anyone to notice?

[vannrox]

I can only chat about china because that is where I now live, and where my experience is. There is good and bad about the place. Comparing the USA to China is a comparison between apples and bananas.

But the point that I am trying to make is how OBVIOUS the loss of freedoms are when you leave the propaganda riddled USA.

There are many many many things that I lament. But, my saddest and most worrying concern is the loss of true freedom, and how no-one in the USA understand just what freedom is.

If a store owner wants to ban barefoot people. Well, good for him. But it should not be a law. The Federal Government has no business in regulating these kinds of issues. This is not why the country was formed.

[trubolotta]

I can appreciate the limits of anyone’s experience but I do not equate the petty freedoms of self-indulgence with the more fundamental freedom of property. The point being that the freedom to smoke, for example, can be taken away by the Chinese government any time it chooses to remove that or any other freedom. If such petty freedoms are the gage of freedom, there are many authoritarian nations that are “more free” than the US. Again, I am not denying a major problem exists here but just cautioning on how we measure our degree of freedom.

I will also agree many people in the US do not appreciate what freedom is but I would dispute that “no-one” understands that. I think a small majority do understand the constant assault on freedom but are frustrated by the elitist mentality that rules both political parties. Most politicians want to be our "benevolent dictators" because they know what is best for us.

On your final point about store owners and barefoot people, we agree but the central issue is not the right to go barefoot, but the right to ownership of your property. We have a fascism problem in the US where you have title but very few property rights. Using the petty rights (smoking, bare-feet, pornography) as the gage can be altered by an authoritarian government instantly if there is enough noise and public outrage to garner attention. Sure they can give you the freedom to smoke and will if there is enough grumbling, but that property is still not really yours and you do not own yourself.

All I'm doing is cautioning that our measure of freedom should not be on the basis of what government allows or does not allow. Freedom is when government has no power to allow or disallow certain certain rights, such as those you list in the Bill of Rights. In that respect, I maintain the US is freer than China, though our politicians are eager to close the gap.

[vannrox]

I am sorry. It has been a couple of years since I was in the USA. It used to be that I had to show ID, drivers Lisc, to use a debut cared; use a credit card, or to write a check. I guess things have changed.

I had no idea that you can leave home without carrying an ID in your wallet.

[vannrox]

I tend to agree with you. Thou on a day to day level, if I were to choose where to live in freedom... China would be my choice.

[Chad N. Freud]

I’ve been wondering why you had to show your ID so much in the U.S.

Yes, you can leave your house without an ID.

(It only costs you an infraction if you happen to get pulled over for speeding without one. The judge will probably void the fine.)

I literrly cannot remember the last time I had to show an ID -— outside of an airport. It was either at an unfamiliar bank where I tried to cash a check, or else it was the last time I had my license renewed, too. Either way, it’s been only once in the past decade.

I truly wish the voting registrars would ask me for one, but they don’t.

[Chad N. Freud]

literrly = literally

[Rome2000]

Republicans are the blue blood country club banker faction of the Washingtonians, and Democrats are the communist faction of the Washingtonians.

It's us outside the Beltway against the Washingtonians from both parties.

It's time to stop looking to DC for solutions to the problems those degenerate sons of bitches in DC have created in the first place.

Its time to think about ways to accelerate the collapse because only then can the Republic be reset and the Franchise limited as the Founders intended.

Nothing comes from DC other than higher taxes and more restrictions on our freedoms.

European Kings and Queens moved their courts to different parts of their realms, yet our masters in the political class remain entrenched on the Potomac and extort trillions of dollars every year from the productive class.

The productive class are now all slaves to DC and the Federal apparatchiks in Maryland and Virginia.

The greatest threat to the Liberty and Prosperity of the productive class are not a bunch of demented ragheads in the middle east, but the Federal apparatus.

Ted Kennedy (Suffer in Hell you degenerate MF) not only managed to murder Mary Jo Kopechne but is responsible for the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965, which ensured that white non comsymps would be the minority in terms of future immigration to the USA.

Since nobody seems to have a clue in the GOP that this is a problem and much less intends to do anything about it, the war is lost and the collapse is inevitable.

The Washingtonians from both parties intend to steal everything not nailed down from those outside DC and then bug out under military protection when the collapse comes and the riots start.

An electorate that elected Clinton and Obama twice and gave algore the popular vote is no different than the Venezuelans and Cubans electing Chavez and Castro; stupid and dangerous.

It's all over but the shouting for the 1st American Republic, it is predictably self destructing due to the imposition of Universal Suffrage.

Honest Ape mortally wounded the Republic when he brutally attacked and murdered the sons of the Founders, the last 150 years has been merely death rattle.