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I seem to recall a few people here claiming that was why Chief Justice Roberts called it a tax, so it could be smothered later on. Anyone else remember that?
1 posted on 04/01/2013 6:01:29 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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I seem to recall a few people here claiming that was why Chief Justice Roberts called it a tax

I know I was among those that thought Roberts got a little too "cute" with his ruling. He didn't want to "appear political" by striking it down, but he gave conservatives and Republicans ammunition with which to deal with the law's implications.

Of course, the Republicans blew it last November, as they couldn't articulate the high taxes as a reason to elect Romney and appeal it. Whatever else the ruling offered from a legal standpoint remains to be seen. Is the GOP actively coordinating the law's downfall, or are they hoping for a miracle, that the law's implementation will implode on itself, pointing all the blame on Democrats?

39 posted on 04/01/2013 7:51:52 AM PDT by Lou L (Health "insurance" is NOT the same as health "care")
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yep.... i was one of them..

the tax, with so many ( tens of thousands ) exemptions, is in no way equitable...

alas, we have to wait for 2014, when someone actually has to pay it, for it to make it’s way through the courts...


43 posted on 04/01/2013 9:10:23 AM PDT by joe fonebone (The clueless... they walk among us, and they vote...)
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Roberts very craftily put in several “poison pills”, which *could* kill Obamacare dead, but only if a Republican congress and president want to.

He really played some strategy. Had he voted against Obamacare, Kennedy would have crossed over and voted for it, and it would have been bullet proof. But by voting for it, he could do one of the few things a Chief Justice can do, which is to determine who writes the opinion for the majority.

And he decided to write that opinion himself, and thus insert the poison pills. And he knew that the liberals on the court would never, ever, vote against it, unless he killed it outright, causing a big brawl.

Justice Kennedy was reportedly enraged at Roberts for stealing his thunder. He wanted to be the deciding vote that would put Obamacare into the law books. Instead he gets to pound sand in a rat hole.

Importantly, taxation is a HUGE poison pill, because unlike other bills, taxes cannot be impacted one way or another by requiring a two-thirds majority. They are always just a simple majority.

This means just 51 (non-RINO) Republican senators (currently 45), 218 Republican congressmen (currently 232), and a Republican president can kill that SOB Obamacare dead.

This will likely happen sooner rather than later.

However, the Republicans had also better have their own health care plan on the table the instant they do this, and ram it through very fast. Or they will be on the ground floor of a collapsing high rise.


44 posted on 04/01/2013 9:27:05 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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So, if it’s a Constitutional right to have tax bills originate in the House...
Let’s sue for damages too!

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53 posted on 04/08/2013 10:07:10 AM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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Bringing this thread back up.


56 posted on 06/10/2013 3:55:33 AM PDT by savedbygrace (But God.)
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