Posted on 03/21/2013 12:52:43 PM PDT by robowombat
bkmk
I often wonder, if an individual were to recite this passage in the UK, would he be arrested for ‘hate speech’. Imagine, repeating a passage written by one of the nation’s greatest leaders landing one in gaol. How the West has devolved.
My limited understanding is Jesus didn’t have a steady job.
Why not increase your understanding then by reading the New Testament? Depending on what others tell them is what gets liberals into trouble.
Do you have evidence that he had a steady job?
What is your point?
My primary point is the separation of church and state that is traditional and accepted by Christianity makes even the errors of its adherents less harmful than those of Islam.
Second, when discussing religion, language changes. We all seem to accept that the exact opposite of the truth is the greatest form of “TRUTH” when discussing religion. For example,
“Jesus Christ is the perfect man and worthy of emulation.” can be accepted by a religious Christian in a religious setting. When it is pointed out the Jesus Christ was not documented as having a job, never married, didn’t have any children, his value as a role model diminishes for those of us who have steady jobs, marriage and children, but religious Christians have difficulty with statements that his value as a role model is diminished. Christians just don’t apply bad examples to their every day life, in part due to our habit of separation of church and state. That habit built on the Jewish domination by Rome, and the European reformation where state churches often had to come to terms with many people in their country that were dissenters.
By contrast Mohammed is held by Islamists as a role model, and his example as a married (with multiple wives) man with children, his occupation as a successful caravan raider is pointed out. His example of having murdered the local Jews after the battle of the ditch is considered as a good example for what to do after resistance stops, not just to the enemy, but to those insufficiently enthusiastic. That murder of innocents is their guide for what they would do after they took over Israel, or Detroit.
As such though I as a matter of conscience do not hold to either faith, I find the Muslim faith significantly more harmful.
Have you studied the New Testament?
Oh yes, back when I was at Evangel College, Springfield Mo.
Took both Old Testament, and New Testament.
Also read “The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross” by John Hanson.
I use the New American Version (RC imprimature) by preference.
I think you are an optimist. Medieval would be a step forward for many Muzzies.
Oops, John Allegro, not John Hanson.
He could be a fiction.
Mark wrote a fiction. The author of Matthew wrote a fiction, cribbing from Mark, (but falsifying his identity, Matthew the apostle wouldn’t need to crib from a mere secretary to Paul).
Luke cribbed from Matthew.
John is different. Different stories, different message. Rather like reading a translation of Beowulf and reading the writings of Ibn Fadlin from 922.
Well, some of the names are the same.
I said there was no evidence that he held a job. That would be true of a fictional character, or of an actual person who didn’t have a job, or any number of common people.
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