Posted on 03/12/2013 6:54:11 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
if Woody sat on a mountain top alone he might be right but not otherwise.
If Woody sits in his living room alone when he inhales, how is he affecting any body other than his?
the legalize drugs crowd is wrong for thinking they can equate drug use and the harm it does with personal freedom.
Personal freedom encompasses using alcohol or any other mind-altering drug and inflicting on oneself the consequent harm. "Personal freedom" to do only what the government deems nonharmful is no freedom at all.
Even if the total profits don't drop - and basic economics says they will - moving money out of Al Capone's hands to Adolph Coors' was a clear win.
By the way Capone went to jail for tax evasion not bootlegging.
Irrelevant to my point: by ending Prohibition of the mind-altering drug alcohol, we moved money out of the hands of Capone's peer/competitor rumrunners into the hands of law-abiding businessmen.
False dichotomy.
Would Jesus consider smoking pot a sin?
There's no scriptural evidence that He would - He didn't consider using the mind-altering drug alcohol to be a sin, in fact, He made some as His first public miracle.
Are the two mutually exclusive? Do you think Jesus would consider smoking pot to be a sin?
You pose the most ridiculous questions to me, that really can't be answered, except by a person involved. It is conviction from the Holy Spirit that reveals a sin, and being open to His voice and gentle prodding. God doesn't yell!
I smoked pot. Jesus still loves me. Was it Him giving me permission, or was it me just ignoring Him?
Neither, I think. I don't believe I was sinning when I was getting high. You obviously do. I can therefor assume you want to play God, or His authorized representative.
I KNOW the Holy Spirit, FRiend, and you are not he!!
While having taken a few hits, I have designed some magnificent homes, which I built and made folk very happy. As afore noted, I have been tested and was able to excel when examined to et my contractor's license. Was it pot?
I wasn't " stoned" as you probably relate drunkenness, but I was more aware, and my mind was more creative. The ideas flowed from my mind, like a river, and the end result was more efficient or grand, due to my usage of that "demon weed". I could recall things that were hidden or murky in my memory.
I have been in Federal Courts four times as a pro se Plaintiff. I successfully prosecuted three of them against monies owed to me( took home some $$$), and the fourth was against my state whereby a regulation was changed due to my challenge. IOW, I won all four cases, and in every situation, I was standing in front of a judge after having smoked that "demon weed" I have no formal legal training. I was up against the state Attorney General, in the last one. but was I sinning? I am pretty sure I was not. I am still saved by the blood, regardless.
Jesus or pot? What a stupid, puerile attempt at attacking my morals and ethics. Jesus is my Lord and Savior. He is my Goel, and my Lord. His death set me free from sin... and when He wishes, He makes it clear the things I should not do. I don't smoke the stuff these days, but I could, as long it causes nobody to stumble.
This article makes broad claims. IMHO, and brings out the Gestapo FReeper element who can't handle the freedom they see in others. It's much easier to rely on black and white laws. It is much more difficult to allow God to reign in your life.
I won't bother to post to you again, because you demonstrate an authoritarian mindset that can never accept what God has offered for me. I only offer these anecdotes because of the misrepresentation herein by so many legalists. I live as Paul describes, as a man no longer under the "law of sin and death", but instead choose to allow the Holy Spirit to guide my days. I am His.
Gotta go, as we are starting a new project here tomorrow, and I am on the other side of the world where it is 10:30 at night. I will pray for you to understand what God can do, when one allows Him to become personal and close-up.
Romans 7: excerpt and comment by Mike Blume- This is most scientific in a very spiritual manner! He called that something in his flesh by the name of "sin". And since he realized that exerting his flesh to work only stirred "sin" up, he had better find a different way in which to see the good deeds come forth through him. All he could think of was to call on God to deliver him from the flesh which held that sin! And that was exactly the answer!! (Romans. 7:24).
He realized that he, himself, delighted in the Law. But another law existed which he then discovered. And that Law warred against the good law that was in his mind, which he willed to obey. And this newly discovered law was actually bringing him into captivity to the Principle of sin.
When He called on God for help, God delivered him through Jesus Christ's death on the cross. Its as though we died to be free of the old cruel husband, since he wasn't going to die (Romans. 7:2-4). And we died, but yet lived on to enjoy the freedom from the old man that our deaths provided. How can this be? Well, we died by faith, believing that Christ died instead us.
So, Paul said God delivered him in Romans. 7:25.
And another Law that existed, which he then found to be the answer, was the reality of the effort to believe and thus walk after the strength of the Spirit rather than the strength of the flesh. And so long as we rely upon God to deliver us through faith in the fact that we died with Christ, we remain above the law of sin and death above that newly discovered law that explained why he could not do good. We must continually realize that we need to rely upon God's Spirit to keep us above sin, and not rely upon our weak human power of self effort to stop sinning.
As much as the law of aerodynamics teaches us that our presence in a certain shaped vehicle that is operating a certain way will keep us above the law of gravity and thus cheat the law of gravity, we can cheat the law of sin and death. And this higher law, the law that cheat sin and death, is called the law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus. We must be in Christ as much as one would need to be in an airplane to escape the law of gravity. And we are in Christ by having faith in His death for us! And that is what we must understand when we pray and close our prayers saying, "In the name of Jesus Christ."
The point is that, even though it a small amount, you would take the dollar and the one hit of the joint IF one hit actually does have no effect as you would argue. So would you take one hit of a joint before a major test? In other words, does even one hit have an effect?
Neither am I....you're simply an unprovoked jerk looking for a place to act natural.
a Yankee no doubt...with no homepage like most a-holes here
He warned not to get drunk. In other words, drink so much that it begins to mentally affect you. And I argued earlier that even one hit of a joint mentally alters you. So you really don’t know what Jesus would say to pot? Pot threads bring out all the of devil’s advocates.
No, you claimed it - we're still waiting for an actual argument.
He never argued that.
At least I’m not the one who brags about getting stoned to truly enjoy my wife in the bedroom.
At least I’m not the one who brags about getting stoned to truly enjoy my wife in the bedroom.
Not even close to what he said. Are you aware of Jesus' position on lying and bearing false witness?
No...you are just the one who gets personal and nasty unprovoked because you are I suppose not super nice in real life as well as on the forum
what I said was explaining to you folks who feel so strongly about marijuana as the devil drug was that the only desire I might have to smoke it again today at 55 would be privately with my wife and that historically yes it is a sex enhancement...that is what pot does..it momentarily heightens sensations...including worry which was how the conversation started when you insisted it was an escape drug and I said no, it is not and unlike you I have smoked it..quite a lot once upon a time
other than private time with my wife without our 5 kids around I have no desire to get stoned anymore and haven’t for 2 decades but that doesn;t give me the right to denounce those who do and live reasonably responsibly...and nor is that divulging details about my sex life except to the sort who is prone to a large imagination
good day to you..try to be nice..
So let me get this straight: I'm about to take a major test - say, the Massachusetts Bar Exam - and you're positing to me that just before I'm about to take this test, and say I'm hanging around in the corridor outside of the room where I'll be taking the test, some person, who I assume I don't know and have never seen before in my life, says "Hey Hemingway's Ghost, I'll pay you the princely sum of $1 if you take a hit off this joint I hold in my hand BEFORE you take the test."
What's supposed to happen after that? If I say yes, do I follow this stranger into the bathroom? Do we walk out of the building and into an alley? Maybe we go outside to the street, where his El Camino is parked, and there I take the hit off the joint?
Does this strange man just hang around public buildings all day long offering people $1 to take a hit off his joint before taking tests? How many people does he make this offer to in the course of an average business day? Does he use fresh joints for everyone, or does everyone have to take one hit off the same joint? Is it good weed, or is it Mexican shake? Is it laced with anything, perhaps?
In sum, your scenario is ludicrous, and I think you, bramps, might be under the influence of some mind-altering substance for positing it in the first place. It's an exceptionally clumsy attempt at "proving your point," which is to suggest that one hit off a joint is a mind-altering experience.
Here's a shocker for you, ace: weed affects people differently. Some people could probably rip 40 bong hits and ace a differential equations exam, while others could take one hit off a one-hitter and be a little bit merry and paranoid for half an hour.
I'm beginning to think you don't know the first thing about the thing you wish to criminalize and/or turn into contraband.
Full disclosure: I'm one of the few Freepers who will actually admit to indulging in the demon weed not in the distant past, not in the recent past, but in the present. I enjoy it in much the same way your garden variety social drinker enjoys a drink.
Far too many conservatives have the mental model where "dude who smokes weed" = "Cheech & Chong / Jeff Spicoli / Dreadlocked OWS Protestor" with absolutely no other setting beyond that. Based on my own personal experience over the past 44 years, not only is that not true, it's laughably not true.
i think the issue here is most folks like you know who simply hate pot smokers because maybe they view them all as Occupy types
and have little or no direct knowledge of the drug or it's effects and are not open to reasonable and candid conversations about it effects, harm, and so forth
there are legitimate questions about abuse and kids and whatnot
but it gets lost with folks who simply hate the users
some like manc do bring up points from their side worthy of discussion no question
and you were right , pot effects folks differently just like alcohol does
what gets lost in all this is the avenue marijuana laws have provided the govt to usurp our rights
that is undebatable and it's sad to see on a conservative forum folks unconcerned with that
regardless of views on legalization or decrim
rolling back RICO, confiscation and unwarranted highway stops etc are topics conservatives should be concerned over
these are means the govt use to attack our property and gun rights...and they use that voraciously
The question has never been “personal freedom” but rather the overthrow of the moral codes of society at large whether it be homosexuality, pedophilia, drug use or abortion so that the trajectory is from private vice to public acceptance and the branding of those who object as “intolerant”.
So there may be some Woody willing to sit in his living room but they won’t stay there.
“If Woody sits in his living room alone when he inhales, how is he affecting any body other than his?”
The same argument is made for abortion.
I wasn’t answering your post. Yes, it’s common for adults in the US to pay for their kids education. And then many of the same adults say kids will be kids and take a hands off approach while Johnny drinks and smokes his brains out. Kids that pay their own way have a much higher respect for their education and consequently are less likely to spend time smoking grass when they should be studying.
I am going to Colorado to spend all my money.
Personal freedom encompasses using alcohol or any other mind-altering drug and inflicting on oneself the consequent harm. "Personal freedom" to do only what the government deems nonharmful is no freedom at all.
The question has never been “personal freedom”
Then why did you bring it up, artless dodger?
but rather the overthrow of the moral codes of society at large
56% Favor Legalizing, Regulating Marijuana
If Woody sits in his living room alone when he inhales, how is he affecting any body other than his?
So there may be some Woody willing to sit in his living room but they won’t stay there.
If he leaves, how will he affect any body other than his?
The same argument is made for abortion.
ADD? We covered this already:
The vital difference there is that abortion by definition involves another person's body.
Not by the abortionist definition.
What are you, a relativist? They're wrong
Sure they’re wrong
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