Posted on 03/11/2013 10:32:50 AM PDT by Olog-hai
Regarding Vietnam, I think it’s more important who lost the Vietnam war than who started it. I can see how any patriotic anti-Communist president could have gotten involved.
I don’t know how anyone can put the “conservative” label on Nixon
didn’t he also try wage and price controls??
So two of the most anti-American presidents in our history are the true patriots?
Eisenhower didn't agree with you, he kept us out of Vietnam as would have his vice-president, Nixon, if Nixon had taken office it wouldn't have happened, so your weird defense of JFK and Lyndon Johnson and the resulting destruction of America as being the actions of "patriotic anti-Communist president[s]" is way off base.
Did Eisenhower really keep us out? The whole matter regarding Vietnam had to do with the policy of containment of communism—nobody though it was viable to “contain” the Nazis during WWII, by contrast. Remember Eisenhower’s “domino theory” speech, which did not address getting rid of the root cause but allowing communism to fester within a border that he tried to define. This is of course compounded by the debacle in Korea, whose legacy still haunts us today thanks to Red China’s support of the Kims.
All of the Allies had agreed that Vietnam belonged to France after WWII, at least in public; Ho Chi Minh’s support didn’t come from nowhere, after all. So thanks to “containment”, we were essentially “in” Vietnam since the end of WWII.
Yes of course he did, JFK started the Vietnam war, Eisenhower didn't and refused to do such a thing.
That sounds like an emotional answer, with all due respect. Benefits to “keeping us out” versus overwhelming the enemy and actually winning? There were zero benefits to running away from Korea, and a couple of years back Iran crowed about the USA’s final exit from Iraq being like the “last helicopter” out of Vietnam. All of which resulted from the loose lips of increasingly left-leaning journalism being all over those wars by contrast to how WWII was conducted, along with said media badmouthing US troops (versus the “loose lips sink ships” policy).
Remember Woodrow Wilson’s successful 1916 election campaign slogan, “He Kept Us Out Of War.” Didn’t work out very well. Certainly did not reflect the ethos of presidents like George Washington, who urged that the country should be “at all times ready for War”.
Emotional? Knowing that President Eisenhower did not start or fight a war in Vietnam is emotional instead of just being a well known historical fact?
You aren’t making any sense and aren’t posting anything relevant to what I posted, and seem to want to get off into other topics and eras, and your personal theories and interests, you should find someone who wants to talk to you about that stuff.
But that is not a fact.
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