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Retired US officers react to Obama allowing women in combat (Gen Boykin debates Col McSally)
http://www.foxnews.com ^ | January 27, 2013 | Chris Wallace

Posted on 01/27/2013 4:53:00 PM PST by NKP_Vet

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To: Nip

How many of those hours were spent actually delivering ordance on target? NONE

During those 325 hours how many USAF aircraft were lost to direct enemy action? NONE

If you read her history it says she first flew into combat during Desert Storm. What combat? The Iraqi Air Force NEVER engaged us in combat. What few planes they had flew straight out of Iraqi airspace. Desert Sheild/Storm was a turkey shoot. And, when she deployed to Afganistan, what kind of aircraft did she encounter? What kind of SAMs, other than ragheads throwing rocks at her? The Air Force has basically had no mission in Enduring Freedom, except medivac and cargo.


21 posted on 01/27/2013 6:38:50 PM PST by NKP_Vet
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To: NKP_Vet

McSally commded, and flew in an
A-10 Warthog squadron.


22 posted on 01/27/2013 7:51:02 PM PST by Longbow
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To: driftdiver
Agreed.

One of the more interesting aspects I have personal knowledge of is the reluctance of some women to join these warfare specialities. I had a three star tell me one of the disappointing problems they were having was getting women to take pilot slots. Even when offered a pilot slot many of them chose a flight officer slot instead. Neither of us could fathom wanting to be in a plane and not be at the controls. When I went through Annapolis the available ship driver billets for women went unfilled as many of them chose shore jobs.

23 posted on 01/27/2013 7:51:46 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Longbow

Well that proves my point. How many tanks and armored vehicles did the Iraqis have or Afganis have for a warthog to shoot at?


24 posted on 01/27/2013 8:03:39 PM PST by NKP_Vet
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To: NKP_Vet
There are no women participating in the NFL,NBA,MLB,Men's Professional Soccer, Men's Professional Rugby, Tennis, Golf - why?Because biology / physiology make men bigger, faster, stronger,and by nature more aggressive. Infantry, Special Ops, Armor all require the same attributes of the most physically demanding professional sports in order to be successful except in a life or death situation under the most hostile of living conditions. The GI Jane movie fantasy will result in unnecessary battlefield deaths and a massive loss of war fighting effectiveness. Our enemies are laughing.
25 posted on 01/27/2013 8:07:17 PM PST by Apercu ("Obama is graffiti on the wall of American History")
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To: thoolou

that is what we always said in the Army, the air force was the “chair force” and if you stood around with your hands in your pockets that was “air force gloves”


26 posted on 01/27/2013 8:33:05 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: NKP_Vet

Martha didn’t fly in Desert Storm. She deployed to Kuwait in 1995, after the war, and flew less than 100 hours patrolling the peaceful skies of Iraq. To put it in perspective, I was also flying then, in 111s, and once flew 90 hours in 17 days. That should give an idea of how little she did in her “first combat tour”. It wasn’t until a few years later that the Iraqis started shooting at us on patrol.

So the rest of her “combat time” was flying over Afghanistan in 2004, unopposed. She never faced organized AAA, never faced a SAM, and never faced an enemy air force. She lived and worked out of a base with 10,000 Americans. She could eat pizza every night if she wished, or Baskin-Robbins ice cream. She had private quarters.


27 posted on 01/27/2013 8:49:58 PM PST by Mr Rogers (America is becoming California, and California is becoming Detroit. Detroit is already hell.)
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To: Apercu

You have the best argument.


28 posted on 01/27/2013 9:34:20 PM PST by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid!)
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To: Apercu

You have the best argument.


29 posted on 01/27/2013 9:34:33 PM PST by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid!)
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To: Apercu

You have the best argument.


30 posted on 01/27/2013 9:34:33 PM PST by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid!)
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To: Apercu

You have the best argument.


31 posted on 01/27/2013 9:34:37 PM PST by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid!)
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To: Apercu

You have the best argument.


32 posted on 01/27/2013 9:34:56 PM PST by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid!)
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To: Cen-Tejas

Sorry! Don’t know what happened!


33 posted on 01/27/2013 9:36:33 PM PST by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid!)
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To: yldstrk

” the air force was the “chair force””

Yeah thats what I always say about those Forward Air Controllers. You know the guys who went into Afghanistan before the marines or army. Attached to the Afghan army they called in strike after strike all while basically being the only Americans for a few hundred miles.


34 posted on 01/28/2013 4:04:25 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

Oh well, I was in when the world was safe for democracy and we were of course, spoiled and dumb. Sorry, didn’t mean to offend. Yes, I am aware that the pilots are always the ones who get shot down behind enemy lines and imprisoned. Had no clue about air traffic controllers—that is interesting to know.


35 posted on 01/28/2013 5:59:24 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: driftdiver
Ya. Lots of letters and reprimands and moral and discipline go down the tubes.
36 posted on 01/29/2013 7:20:14 PM PST by dhs12345
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