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New Documentary Claims Hitler Died In 1965, Did Not Commit Suicide After WWII
Mediaite ^ | 12/30/12 | Anjali Sareen

Posted on 12/30/2012 4:51:05 PM PST by Borges

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To: SoCal Pubbie
The old fable about GM is actually not a fable. There are plenty of references ~ even to court cases where people were convicted of being involved in a process of monopolizing rail transit systems, and even buses.

Check it out someday. Just look up General Motors Streetcar Conspiracy.

81 posted on 12/31/2012 7:21:14 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Hope for the Republic; All
You can find a picture of Elvis and Michael Jackson living in a single wide.
**snickering**...so yah think Elvis; won't shoot MJ after ....
his lil' princess married MJ a few years back?

82 posted on 12/31/2012 7:45:33 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (who'll take tomorrow,spend it all today;who can take your income,tax it all away..0'Bozo man can :-)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

You mean before or after Bert went invisible?


83 posted on 12/31/2012 10:08:39 AM PST by ops33 (Senior Master Sergeant, USAF (Retired))
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To: muawiyah
You're the one who need to read more carefully. GM was NOT convicted of trying to run streetcar lines out of business. They were convicted of trying to monopolize transit lines use of GM equipment.

I've actually read the history.

84 posted on 12/31/2012 10:13:47 AM PST by SoCal Pubbie
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To: Borges
Shalev doesn’t claim to be 100 percent certain about his theory.

LOL! Brilliant understatement.

“And in declassified documents, we see that the FBI took very seriously the possibility that Hitler fled to Argentina.”

That's one of the problems of working with historical documents. Officials at the time had to listen to every rumor and consider every possibility. That they examined or speculated about something doesn't mean it was true.

85 posted on 12/31/2012 10:15:45 AM PST by x
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To: Borges
Maybe he's still alive.

Who do you think posed for this thing?

86 posted on 12/31/2012 10:18:55 AM PST by x
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To: SoCal Pubbie
You're trying to split threads. I've read SEVERAL of the histories ~ notice, however, we had one of those interlocking board situations ~ and the situation in the Lower Midwest was different than that in California.

But GM didn't need to be prosecuted ~ as soon as US 31 was four-laned and paved with an allweather surface, the central part of the interurban system in the Midwest fell apart like a chicken with its head off.

BTW, I'm just old enough to have interviewed people involved in the various deals that supported an improved road network so we didn't need interurban service.

GM, back in the day, was more like a bird ~ a rather large bird ~ but more like an opportunity feeder than a predatory raptor.

87 posted on 12/31/2012 10:27:20 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: skinkinthegrass
**snickering**...so yah think Elvis; won't shoot MJ after .... his lil' princess married MJ a few years back?

Hey it's on the internet so it must be true!

88 posted on 12/31/2012 10:51:55 AM PST by Hope for the Republic (The 1st amendment is protected by the 2nd amendment)
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To: muawiyah

The “Eichmann as used streetcar salesman” story is more entertaining than the “Hitler lives” story that started this thread. At least it’s different. What’s your real beef with GM, anyway? And skip the sci-fi about Eichmann selling trolleys in Indianapolis.


89 posted on 12/31/2012 1:12:12 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: ozzymandus
You have no sense of humor ~ nor do you have a good grasp of Midwestern history. The OSS, though, even less humorless, and totally oblivious to history, brought a bunch of SS folks from Eastern Europe (the German allies) to Indianapolis, and to Buffalo NY.

It was considered quite an intelligence coup.

GM, though, had some folks on its board of directors (and probably in some of the more esoteric divisions in the operating company) who took competition with rail quite seriously.

I've never heard anyone tell me Hitler went to Indianapolis, but I really did know people who were familiar with the Adolph Eichmann tale of selling the trolley system to Argentina. Their parents were among those the OSS brought to town so if anyone knew, they'd know.

In the mid 1950s we had a young Hungarian lad who was placed with a family of German WWII immigrants with the requisite SS and OSS relationships ~ went to highschool with him. Actually, he rode with me 3 years! He had some interesting tales ~ and again, the high ranking Nazis involved in selling the trolley story.

I didn't invent this one ~ but I sure never forgot it.

Was it an OSS/SS joke? Is there anything to it beyond the koinkydinks? No one really knows but I think it would make a whale of a great adventure movie ~ midnight rides through town on clattering trolley cars, electrocutions as bad guys grabbed the power bar, jack turners, mysterious Hungarian mathematicians and Latvian musclemen driving fast Studebakers and slow 38 Ford flathead tractors through city streets all over the Midwest ~ they sabotage rail cars, they disrupt power lines ~ blow up silos and burn down outhouses!

You can hang anything you want on this one but don't forget to include David Sarnoff, Zarkes Tarzian, Claire Chennault, and the very model for the Dragon Lady in Terry and the Pirates, Madame Chennault!.

90 posted on 12/31/2012 1:29:56 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

No sense of humor? I read your posts, didn’t I?
;>)


91 posted on 12/31/2012 1:59:27 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: ops33

I can’t remember the timeline. It was a pre-Benson Inga Swenson and some other guy down in Argentina at a cafe and they cut to the waiter, and it’s a almost 90-year old Hitler.


92 posted on 12/31/2012 4:22:50 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: Cvengr

You forgot Jim Morrison.


93 posted on 12/31/2012 4:26:28 PM PST by Vermont Lt (We are so screwed.)
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To: muawiyah

I’m splitting nothing, I’m stating facts. No court anywhere found them guilty of conspiring to destroy rail systems.

As for Eichmann buying trolleys for Argentina, I know that’s just something you made up.


94 posted on 12/31/2012 5:23:24 PM PST by SoCal Pubbie
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To: autumnraine

Exactly! Exactly!

Sorry you can’t see the humor in some “intellectual” (evidently) trying to pawn off “new” rumor to get his 15 minutes of fame or notoriety.

Have a great New Year!


95 posted on 12/31/2012 5:36:58 PM PST by K-oneTexas (I'm not a judge and there ain't enough of me to be a jury. (Zell Miller, A National Party No More))
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To: Borges

96 posted on 12/31/2012 5:41:23 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: SoCal Pubbie

Hey, I never claimed the old GM got convicted of anything, but maybe they should have ~ let’s have a good close look at the new GM’s records they picked up from the old GM. Gotta’ be a reason a hardcore Islamofascist like Obama, or his hard core Stalinist buddy Axelrod wasted so much goodwill on the GM bankruptcy.


97 posted on 12/31/2012 5:45:15 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

There is much more evidence of organized crime promoting the demolition of trolley car systems to glean the metals salvage value into their coffers without being ‘tracked’. An earlier type of money laundering.


98 posted on 12/31/2012 8:05:53 PM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Revolting cat!

Hey, where did that green Master’s jacket come from?


99 posted on 12/31/2012 8:06:58 PM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Cvengr
And?

By the 1950s organized crime in America had substantial legitimate investments ~ much of it in small companies that delivered parcels, packages and news print throughout major cities ~ New York was a legitimate gold mine for them ~ then, by the 1960s they'd started moving into the printing and publishing industries. That was a bit more sophisticated ~ it was mob family money, but mob family cousins without criminal records or connections (and, as I found, quite nice folks who'd learned English, finished highschool ~ with many of them having gone on to college ~ and with great church attendance records).

Stripping trollies down for scraps was probably a tiny side business of the enormous East Coast commercial refuse business they'd invested in. Keeping those cars intact for sale to latin America was certainly more profitable ~ however, when it came to track I'd bet they got most of it. As the trolleys disappeared here in DC so did the track and only later did the DC government get interested in letting contracts to have it removed.

100 posted on 01/01/2013 5:58:47 AM PST by muawiyah
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