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The Scourge of Concealed Weapons
NY Times ^ | 12/23/2012 | Op Ed

Posted on 12/23/2012 1:52:50 PM PST by GreaterSwiss

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To: GreaterSwiss

I can see how NYT would think that liberal/islamic loons being denied self-expression through mass murder would be a scourge.

Personally, I think it’s a scourge that most of the NYT and owners have not been lynched.


21 posted on 12/23/2012 2:10:59 PM PST by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Vendetta))
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To: GreaterSwiss

Of course the NYT is against CC. It might threaten their favorite constituents, the feral inner city Amish.


22 posted on 12/23/2012 2:13:56 PM PST by doorgunner69
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To: Feckless

My view is that about the time of the 2008 primaries, the MSM went from being biased to full supporting members of the progressive/Democrat agenda.

When they spent more resources investigating Joe the Plumber’s trade license and the DNA of Palin’s Down Syndrome child than they did Baraq Obama’s dubious citizenship, I knew the game was over.


23 posted on 12/23/2012 2:14:05 PM PST by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: Farmer Dean

It has already started. It’s just not at full speed yet.


24 posted on 12/23/2012 2:14:17 PM PST by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Vendetta))
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To: Paladin2
Many anti-gun nuts in the MSM want you to believe they have nothing to do with guns at their places of business ~ yet, truck drivers deliver newsprint and ink there every day and they all come armed ~ so there's that part, and then there are the cops. The news media were the first to demand 911 as a universal emergency number to make it easier to call the cops.

If the New York Times really believed their baloney about guns they'd program their phones to never be able to dial out 911.

25 posted on 12/23/2012 2:15:11 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Feckless

Pyongyang, NY.


26 posted on 12/23/2012 2:18:08 PM PST by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Vendetta))
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To: GreaterSwiss

Simple question ny time..whats the pre capital crime rate of ny vs say az?


27 posted on 12/23/2012 2:20:00 PM PST by tophat9000 (American is Barack Oaken)
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To: Paladin2

Bingo! Just turn it around on these people: Newsrooms are no place for guns. Word out to wannabe mass shooters.


28 posted on 12/23/2012 2:20:00 PM PST by Jabba the Nutt (.Are they stupid, malicious or evil?)
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To: GreaterSwiss
I always seen research that concealed licensees as a population are less likely to committ crime.

John R. Lott's rebuttal to Donohue’s research can be viewed and downloaded here . One thing I've recently learned is that one of the reasons that the murder rate has been coming down is because of better medical treatment. For many years, I've pointed to the decrease in the murder rate as evidence that the number of firearms in the hands of private citizens is no big deal as well as the effectiveness of concealed carry by citizens (with a permit or not).

Well, someone pointed out that if someone doesn't actually kill you, they are typically charged with some type of "Aggravated Assault". So you have to keep an eye on BOTH of those numbers.

I said all that to say this: Just because the Aggravated Assault number is increasing, that doesn't mean that CHL is not working. By preventing a murder and detaining a bad guy, you might end up having him arrested for Aggravated Assault.

There's no way to say that the good guys with their CHLs are the ones getting arrested for Aggravated Assault. At least not with the data available at hand.

29 posted on 12/23/2012 2:20:13 PM PST by Stegall Tx (Living off your tax dollars can be kinda fun, but not terribly profitable.)
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To: Hardraade

Ha! I call Austin Hanoi in the Hill Country....


30 posted on 12/23/2012 2:20:27 PM PST by Feckless (I was trained by the US << This Tagline Censored by FR >> ain't that irOnic?)
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To: txnativegop

“...throw out the Constitution and replace it with God knows what.”

Replace it with Executive Orders supported by CBS/NYT Public Opinion Polls.


31 posted on 12/23/2012 2:22:29 PM PST by BwanaNdege ("To learn who rules over you simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize"- Voltaire)
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To: GreaterSwiss

Hey, I watched the Green Hornet yesterday on cable and when Brett Reed took over the paper at the news meeting, he insisted on using the word “scourge”. He was laughed at and LOOK, now the New York Times is using the word. They’re laughed at too.


32 posted on 12/23/2012 2:23:13 PM PST by Jabba the Nutt (.Are they stupid, malicious or evil?)
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To: GreaterSwiss
A couple of trained and coordinating CCW holders would have quickly ended the rampage in CT. NYT editorial board knows that this is an undeniable fact. Granted CCW carries risks and CCW is no guarantee of safety. But they would rather have unarmed principals getting gunned down lunging at the perp as in Sandy Hook than have someone fighting back.

Because having someone fight back goes against their goal of anarcho-tyranny.

33 posted on 12/23/2012 2:23:19 PM PST by palmer (Obama = Carter + affirmative action)
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To: Gaffer

Violence will get you shot. It would be better simply not to cooperate, but be passive.


34 posted on 12/23/2012 2:23:30 PM PST by popdonnelly
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To: GreaterSwiss

The stat your talking about is not as scary as those concernibg gun free zones, if yours are even true after all it is printed in the times. One reason for “shall issue” is there were entirely too many places where it is or was only political connections or the fact that you were a celebrity. I’m not a celebrity and if I do have political connections I’ll not use them for any personal gain or favor. There is NO reason for Mississippi to not issue me a license so they “shall issue” me a license without me having to kiss anyones butt.


35 posted on 12/23/2012 2:25:06 PM PST by duffee (Newt Gingrich for Speaker)
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To: GreaterSwiss
"In fact, the legal scholar John Donohue III and others have found that from 1977 to 2006, “shall issue” laws increased aggravated assaults by “roughly 3 to 5 percent each year.”

There are some real big problems of making a statement like the one above. First of all not all aggravated assaults are done with firearms, in fact very few aggravated assaults are done with firearms. Second of all it doesn't tell you what the rates were for the states that do not issue concealed weapons permits. But the big thing is it is a lie, if you go to the US Department of Justice webpage you can find that aggravated assaults rose on the average of 26.3% across the United States during that time. If the case could be made that the shall issue states had a 3 to 5% increase each year this would be amazing and a definite argument for carrying concealed weapons.

36 posted on 12/23/2012 2:28:11 PM PST by Taxbilly
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To: BwanaNdege

Well crap! is that all! I was expecting something much worse!

How has our country come to this point? Have we become so selfish and uncaring?


37 posted on 12/23/2012 2:28:46 PM PST by txnativegop (Fed up with zealots)
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To: GreaterSwiss

Rapes down. Murders down. Armed robberies down. Home invasions down. So this POS focuses on “aggravated assaults” and links those to CCW laws?

Typical lib scum.

Liberalism is a serious mental illness...


38 posted on 12/23/2012 2:28:47 PM PST by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: GreaterSwiss
YOU WANT? You Want the Federal Government to further interfere with gun laws at the local level.

I for one hold a CCL and often carry a semiautomatic handgun EVERYWHERE I go. Church, my childrens school, restaurants and bars. I do not drink. The reason WHY I carry is because scumbag criminals DO NOT follow the laws. They are not hindered by societal regulations.

I have been the victim of armed robbery on more than one occasion and after my ciousin was carjacked by a couple of ‘Amish’ youths, we both decided thaT WE WHERE not GOING TO LET IT HAPPEN AGAIN. We have families we want to come home to.

What do you think all these mass killing events all have in common? Except for the Gabby Gifford's shooting, they all have occurred in ‘gun free zones’ almost all in states with strict gun control laws and ALL of them continued until someone with a gun showed up to stop them.

39 posted on 12/23/2012 2:29:08 PM PST by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: China Clipper

Has there ever been a mass shooting at a gun show? Or how about a shooting range? I’d prefer it if a**hats that don’t know the difference between an AR-15 and a USGI M-4 would just be quiet. I don’t advise New Yorkers on proper homosexual activities or the best ways to sniff drugs.


40 posted on 12/23/2012 2:29:47 PM PST by Hipshot 6 (Hipshot 6)
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