A Mormon Reporter On The Romney Bus

Basketball? With Christians only, or folks of different religions?

Really? After reading over 100 posts a lot of them are full of bigotry. The evidence is all over this thread.

Try reading.

Learn to read. The poster of this thread started off the bat whining about Mormoms. The first 50 posts are full of invective bigotry.

Wow, the hatred of Mormons here is unbelievable. No wonder “conservatives” can’t win. Grow up people. Try reading the Constitution again

If disagreement = hatred, well, I guess you must "hate" those who critique Mormonism, eh?

If, by citing the Constitution you are pointing to "religious liberty," that same "religious liberty" allows First Amendment critiques of religion.

Or are you suggesting such critiques should be "shut down?"

The poster of this thread started off the bat whining about Mormoms.

What did Greyfoxx actually say in the first post?

1. The Romney candidacy was the mormon church's most ambitious bid for legitimacy with Christian America.

Nothing objectionable there. An accurate statement.

2. This article by a temple mormon attempts to whitewash the sect and its anti-Christian doctrines and history as "just another Christian" religion while portraying Romney as a paragon of religious virtue who couldn't possibly have been the driving force of the vicious primary campaigns in '08 and '12. Rewriting history is a much-used tool of mormonism. Rewriting Romney as a hero doesn't wash for those of us who watched him destroy good men in his quest for power.

Yes, McKay Coppins, a temple Mormon, tried to portray Mormons as just another "version" of Christianity -- without even bothering to say that Mormons deem Christians as apostates, "corrupt," false, part of a dead church, and ones who embrace 100% "abominable creeds."

"Whining" has to do with tone issues...and Greyfoxx' claims to Lds leadership being PR-ambitious & historically revisionistic, and to Coppins as an author as engagine in the same whitewashing is spot-on...no whining detected.

Of course, if simply stating something "negative" = whining, then you're negative comment about greyfoxx39 would be "whining" -- by your own definition. If that's case, stop whining.

There is critique and there is hateful bigotry.

Here's something you can REALLY whine about, fledermaus:

Thursday, November 15, 2012 3:29:00 PM · 225 of 226
Jim Robinson to KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

Any of the other Republicans running in the primaries would have defeated the corrupt Marxist usurper Obama in a landslide while Romney was a sure loser (well, anyone but Ron Paul). How did I know this? Because Romney was the only one of the Republicans running who had a solid history and record of ALL of the below:

Pushed for and installed and still brags today about his very own socialist healthcare system, just like Obama.
Bragged about loving mandates against the people, just like Obama.
Bragged about being pro-~~choice~~ abortion for at least three decades of his adult life, just like Obama.
Stated that abortion should be legal and safe in America, just like Obama.
Stated that Roe v Wade is settled law and should preserved and sustained as the law of the land, just like Obama.
Managed to bring about taxpayer funded abortion within his jurisdiction, even Obama couldn't get that done--until he copied RomneyCare.
Bragged about being better for "gay rights" than Ted Kennedy. Even Obama didn't go that far.
Stated that homosexuals should be allowed in the Scouts, just like Obama.
Stated that homosexuals should be allowed in the military, just like Obama.
Managed to bring about same sex marriage within his jurisdiction, even Obama and the Democrats couldn't get that done--until other states started following suit to Romney's Massachusetts.
Bragged about being for gun control, just like Obama.
Stated that the planet is warming and that man is the cause and the government will eventually have to control it, just like Obama.
Agreed with Obama that the nearly trillion dollar stimulus package was good, was necessary, and more will be probably needed.
Stated that timelines for ending wars should be developed and telegraphed to our enemies, just like Obama.
Was the only Republican running for whom "conservatism" was not his first or natural language. Never did get competently versed in nor was he able to believably articulate the conservative message.
Flip flopped on ALL major issues from his natural liberal positions to obviously false conservative once he decided to run for the presidency as a Republican.
Had absolutely zero record of actual conservative accomplishments to his name while in government, just like Obama.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2959638/posts?page=225#225

What the heck do any of those facts have to do with Mormons.

The first 50 posts are full of invective bigotry

I just reviewed the first 50 posts...

On one Svcw reference (#47) the Mormonism not being Christianity...as if that was some surprising comment; since Mormons regard Christians as "apostates" -- will you be consistent & start complaining how Salt Lake City insults worldwide Christianity?

AMPU (post #24) said Romney's faith alienated some voters. Nothing controversial there.

Syncro (post #23) said Joseph Smith hated Christians & that God wasn't involved in the Book of Mormon. What? That didn't comport to your "all 'sacred' books are to be 'sacred" standard?

There were some references to Mormonism being a "cult," to Mormonism being "weird" (with documented links), and secretive (with documented links)...to Romney and other temple Lds thinking of themselves as a "god in embryo"

And then I posted (#29) documented official statements -- insulting "invective" statements made by Mormon leadership vs. Christians.

If anything, the Lds leadership jumpstarted its "invective bigotry" vs. worldwide Christianity...and hasn't let up...

And you? You haven't made your case of accusatory "bigotry"...other than you are apparently intolerant of anybody who critiques Mormonism.

So how do you escape the "bigotry" charge? Aren't you intolerant of a LOT of religious expressions on this thread?

There is critique and there is hateful bigotry.

Speaking of "hateful bigotry", have a helping of the bigotry of mormon leaders all the way up to 1958.

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"Christians— those poor, miserable priests brother Brigham was speaking about—some of them are the biggest whoremasters there are on the earth, and at the same time preaching righteousness to the children of men. The poor devils, they could not get up here and preach an oral discourse, to save themselves from hell; they are preaching their fathers' sermons —preaching sermons that were written a hundred years before they were born. ...You may get a Methodist priest to pour water on you, or sprinkle it on you, and baptize you face foremost, or lay you down the other way, and whatever mode you please, and you will be damned with your priest.

- Apostle Heber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses, v. 5, p. 89

Prophet John Taylor (1808 - 1887):

"Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century."

- Prophet John Taylor, Journal of Discourses, v. 6, p. 167

"Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom."

- Prophet John Taylor, Journal of Discourses, v. 10, p. 127

"What! Are Christians ignorant? Yes, as ignorant of the things of God as the brute beast."

- Prophet John Taylor, Journal of Discourses, v. 13, p. 225

"What does the Christian world know about God? Nothing... Why so far as the things of God are concerned, they are the veriest fools; they know neither God nor the things of God."

- Prophet John Taylor, Journal of Discourses, v. 13, p. 225

Apostle Orson Pratt (1811 - 1881):

"Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the ‘whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent."

- Apostle Orson Pratt, The Seer, p. 255

"But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of Christian Churches ... But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance"

- Apostle Orson Pratt, Journal of Discourses, v. 18, p. 172

“This class of men, calling themselves Christian, uniting with the various forms of the pagan religion, adopting many of their ceremonies and institutions, became very popular, and finally some of the pagans embraced Christianity and were placed, as it were, upon the throne, and what they termed Christianity became very popular indeed. How long has this order of things existed, this dreadful apostacy, this class of people that pronounced themselves Zion, or Christians, without any of the characteristics of Zion? It has existed for some sixteen or seventeen centuries. It has spread itself and grown and gone into the four quarters of the earth. It is the great ecclesiastical power that is spoken of by the revelator John, and called by him the most corrupt and most wicked of all the powers of the earth, under the name of spiritual Babylon, or in other words Babel, which signifies confusion. This great and corrupt power is also represented by John as presenting a golden cup to the nations, full of all manner of filthiness and abominations.”

- Apostle Orson Pratt, Journal of Discourses, v. 14, p. 346

“But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be. They say, "We have built chapels unto the name of the Lord; we call our Churches Christian Churches, they are called the Church of Christ, St. John's Church, St. Paul's Church, St. Peter's Church, and after others of the ancient Apostles;" and one who had never studied the pattern which God has given of the Christian Church would almost really believe that they are Christian Churches. But there has been a long apostacy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance, and they are represented in the revelations of St. John as a woman sitting upon a scarlet colored beast, having a golden cup in her hand, full of filthiness and abominations, full of the wine of the wrath of her fornication; that in her forehead there was a name written—"Mystery, Babylon the Great, the mother of harlots." This kind of a church has existed in great abundance, for as John the Revelator says, she was to have her dominion upon many waters, and she was to make all nations drunken with the wine of the wrath of her fornication.”

- Apostle Orson Pratt, Journal of Discourses, v. 18, p. 172

“Q. After the Church of Christ fled from earth to heaven, what was left? A. A set of wicked Apostates, murderers, and idolaters, who, after having made war with the saints, and overcome them, and destroyed them out of the earth, were left to follow the wicked imaginations of their own corrupt hearts, and to build up churches by human authority, and to follow after the cunning craftiness of uninspired men; having no Apostle, Prophet, or Revelator to inquire of God for them: and thus, because of wickedness, the Church, and Priesthood, and gifts, and ordinances and blessings of the everlasting Gospel, were taken from the earth, and reserved in heaven until the fulness of times, when it was predicted that they should again be restored among men to continue until the end should come.”

- Apostle Orson Pratt, The Seer, Chapter 16, p. 205

Prophet Wilford Woodruff (1807 - 1898):

"The Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called"

- Prophet Wilford Woodruff, Journal of Discourses, v. 2, p. 196

Apostle George Q. Cannon (1827 - 1901):

"After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon."

- Apostle George Q. Cannon, Gospel Truth, p. 324

Believers in the doctrines of modern Christendom will reap damnation to their souls.”

- Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, see pp. 45-46
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"...the Book of Mormon remains secure, unchanged and unchangeable, ...But with the Bible it was not and is not so....it was once in the sole and exclusive care and custody of an abominable organization [Christianity], founded by the devil himself, likened prophetically unto a great whore, whose great aim and purpose was to destroy the souls of men in the name of religion. In these hands it ceased to be the book it once was."

- Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, The Joseph Smith Translation, pp. 12, 13
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Brother Taylor has just said that the religions of the day were hatched in hell. The eggs were laid in hell, hatched on its borders, and then kicked on to the earth."

- Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, v. 6, p. 176
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"With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world."

- Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, v. 8, p. 199
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"The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God"

- Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, v. 8, p. 171

There is critique and there is hateful bigotry.

You sound like a liberal.

Liberals came up with "hate crimes" -- as if they could always judge the internal motivations of people.

Since when have you become a judge who knows the internal motivations of complete strangers?

(I thought only God was in that business)

And here you proceed to accuse these strangers of something only God would know.

What the heck do any of those facts have to do with Mormons.

Ooh...I don't know....maybe because Mitt is a mormon and this thread is about Mitt and his religion...ya think?

Since when have you become a judge who knows the internal motivations of complete strangers?

When they POST their bigotry ON THE THREAD! See, I can read.

If a man walks up to me and pulls out a gun and demands my money, I am going to make the judgement he's robbing me.

What the heck do any of those facts have to do with Mormons

Ya wanna know the linkages?

How does his Mormonism relate to who Mitt is?

If people want to understand how Mormonism's approach to the socio-political realm, they may want to read these two articles (the first written by a Mormon; the second by an ex-Mormon):

* Mitt Romney mirrors his Mormon church [Lds writer says Romney flip-flops 'cause Lds church has/does]
* Who is Mitt Romney? [Ex-Lds author reveals why Mitt's wishy-washy culture waffles & flip-flops]

In the first linked article above, Mormon Neal Chandler highlights how in the 19th century...
* Mormons forced communism upon its people -- and then not (United Order)
* Adhered to theocracies under its first two "prophets" -- and then slowly drew back
* Said polygamy was a condition of the highest degree of glory -- and then not
* Encourage its Utah Territory voters to be Democrats -- and then told whole groups of people wholesale to "balance it out" as Republicans as statehood approached
* Excluded blacks -- and then late in the 20th century not

From the second article linked above: What makes Mitt the kind of person he is — ruthlessly opportunistic, dishonest, insincere, willing to say anything for advantage, lacking in conscience, preoccupied with appearance, etc., on the one hand, yet squeaky clean, family-oriented, disciplined, boring, and predictable, on the other? My new e-book, A Mormon Story, sheds light on the culture that produced Mitt Romney.

Good question. (It's one I've raised -- and answered numerous times on various FR threads)

The answer, says this ex-Mormon in the book referenced above is: (From the article): The book reveals a value system that ultimately has no absolutes, other than the need to conform to deep-seated, highly-controlling authoritarianism that pervades LDS culture. That culture emphasizes a Mormon tradition known as "eternal progression" — undoctrinal spiritual evolution in which even God is changing. It also emphasizes the notion that the latest words of governing church leaders trump the Word of God found in the scriptures (including LDS scripture).

IOW, EVERYTHING in Mormonism -- from its theology to its social practices -- is up for potential change at the whim of the Mormon god. Bottom-line: There is no bottom-line in Mormonism! There is no bedrock doctrine that cannot be replaced!

So there's not even any Ultimate Authority in Mormonism!

Expect then this same lack of constancy in a Romney White House. Wishy washy. Flip flopper. Waffler. Gumby.

When they POST their bigotry ON THE THREAD! See, I can read.

And I can read as well. You ALSO are intolerant of those who have concerns about Mormonism. Does that make you a "bigot" of concerned Christians?

If a man walks up to me and pulls out a gun and demands my money, I am going to make the judgement he's robbing me.

And are you going to judge what their motivation is if they are silent & say nothing that could be construed as racism?

Take the plank out of your eye dear. You are like the pharisees that Jesus preached about.

playing half court basketball when I got back to church!

When I was a kid the Mormon church that I went to had a basketball court in it!

It was embarrassing when I was doing a jump shot and my cigarettes flew out of my pocket.

Luckily I retrieved them before anyone saw them

After that I always smoked caffeine free cigs.

Take the plank out of your eye dear. You are like the pharisees that Jesus preached about.

Holly, I made a chart one time of 10 disparaging things that we commonly see on these Mormon threads. Your comment relates to the second item I put on that chart:

THOU SHALT & THOU SHALT NOT RULES OF DISPARAGERS & DISRUPTORS [What Poster is Really Saying]	Repackaged Framing by DPs to Hide REAL message...	Basic problem, approach, and/or sin that disparaging posters need to address/reprent of...	Basic problem, approach, and/or sin that disparaging posters need to address/reprent of...	If disparaging posters were consistent, we would see them...
RULE #2: THOU SHALT FOLLOW MY PERFECT SPIRITUAL VISION & REMOVE THINE BEAMS & LOGS IN THINE OWN EYE	Tries to come across as Pseudo-'Biblical': Thou shalt take thy beam/log out from thine own eye. [The 'Thou Shalt Not' version of this is: "Thou shalt not judge."]	(a) Assumes, any "beams" in their own eyes have been removed, allowing them to have the perfect spiritual vision to castigate other posters. Having supposedly assessed the situation with this perfect spiritual vision, "obviously" the ones being disparaged need to join their "perfect vision club" so that all posters can be on the same "page"; (b) This is self-refuting: If a person cannot 'judge' someone else, then what business is it for a DP to come in and 'judge' another poster?	(c) Epic failure re: lack of Biblical understanding re: how we as Christians can righteously judge, having the "mind of Christ" (1 Cor. 2) -- and that this is simply called "discernment"...(d) This also becomes quite "rich" if the message is NOT to "judge" -- all as they engage in #3...judging others' inward motives, temperaments and dispositions!	Well, under (c) above -- if such discernment ("judgment") wasn't exercised, EVERYTHING in the world would be tolerated and even parents would have no basis for passing on moral direction to their children! Even commenting negatively on a couple living together as counsel for their own kids would be dismissed as "judgmental"

You see...2(a) above -- Assumes, any "beams" in their own eyes have been removed, allowing them to have the perfect spiritual vision to castigate other posters becomes cyclically problematic.

How so...You tell Elz to remove his eye-plank, which assumes you have the perfect vision to see some "plank" there. Then I come along & ask how your vision is...

Then another comes along and asks, "Well, what's so perfect about your vision to question Holly's vision?"

And then it just recycles from there, with no end in "sight" (pun not intended)

What most refuse to acknowledge is that it was unlikely that ANYBODY could have beaten the voter fraud planned and perpetrated by the Obama machine. They seem to prefer pointing fingers, blaming Romney and blathering on about Patraeus' sex life.

Col Allen West; "I don't want to see America become like Zimbabwe where people don’t trust their electoral process. If we cannot trust the integrity of the voting system then we are no longer a free republic".

Col West has opened the door.

We must fight election fraud.

It falls on ‘We the People’.

Silence is consent

There’s overwhelming evidence of fraud.- Here

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MITT ROMNEY TWEETS ABOUT ELECTION FRAUD:

>MITT ROMNEY in 2012! ‏@PlanetRomney #tcot The Competent Conservative: Elections Have Not Yet Been Certified. Here’s What You Can Do: - Here

Excerpt from Mitt Romney's reference:

These elections are NOT certified yet. The only way to get this investigated, much less recounted or overturned, is through the Secretary of State of each of the five key states: Florida, Virginia, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. EVEN IF YOU ARE IN ANOTHER STATE you can help. But it won’t do any good to dilute our effort to challenge California or Michigan or other states. Until a major group gets involved to do more, here is the plan: Contact the Secretary of State of the state in question. See contact information below...

Read the rest- Here

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SARAH PALIN speaks out on Twitter about massive Obama machine voter fraud:

>Sarah Palin News ‏@SarahPalinLinks Between suppression of the military vote and voter fraud, Obama stole another election. http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/46302 …DEMAND A RECOUNT! #VoterFraud

>Sarah Palin News ‏@SarahPalinLinks People need to stop pointing fingers within the GOP and investigate the Dems' massive voter fraud and suppression of the military vote.

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The website,'Barack Obama Vote Fraud 2012' is keeping a running account of cases of voter fraud and what to do about it:

(Astonishing!) > Visit the site- Here
Obama Voter Fraud on FaceBook- Here

Sign this petition- Here

WND List of voter fraud reports Here
ATLAS SHRUGS voter fraud list. Atlas Shrugs has a list but cannot copy link. Contains video of eyewitness pollwatcher who verifies busload of Somalians. Google 'Atlas Shrugs voter fraud list'

Is There Enough Evidence of Voter Fraud To Merit a Recount? If you wish to add your voice, click here and sign the petition for a recount Here -

< Hannity and Col Allan West slam voter fraud Nov 12- Here

Photo of SOMALIANS brought to Ohio voting stations by the busload, 95% of whom did not speak English, and told to vote for Obama, straight Dem ticket- Here

'Human Events', report pollwatcher eyewitness to busload of Somalians at Ohio poll, spoke no English, told to vote Obama Here

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Must watch videos!

VIDEO-- Programmer Testifies About Rigging Elections With Vote Counting- Here

VIDEO- Illegal Aliens Caught Voting and Stealing Elections In Florida In Vast Numbers- Here

VIDEO- MICHAEL SAVAGE: How Obama fixed the 2012 election- Here

VIDEO- Massive voter fraud discovered in April- Here

VIDEO- Whistle blower speaks out about voter fraud- Here

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We can not wait for 2014 and 2016 to regroup and figure out new strategies. By then it will be too late. The Marxist/Muslim usurper will have completed his planned distruction of America. That's what people fail to understand.

We must act NOW.

Start with the election. If we let the Rats get away with this massive voter fraud, we're no better than a bananna republic.

We must keep digging and pounding him every day, in every way we can- phony birth certificate, Benghazi, Fast and Furious, his hidden life, records....

We are FReepers. We must fight!

Those who shrug and accept this atrocity without a fight are not worthy to be called Freepers!

Join us!! See thread, 'BARACK OBAMA FRAUD 2012- (MUST READ- MUST GO VIRAL!)' thread- Here