Posted on 11/14/2012 12:04:25 PM PST by SeekAndFind
“Catholics voted for obama. Get in bed with the devil, don’t complain when you get screwed”
American hispanics,who for some reason call themselves Catholic, when they renigged on that right by supporting baby killing and faggot “marriage”, are included in the “Catholic” support you cite above. 59% of white Catholics voted for Romney over the muslim-in-chief, who received 40% of the vote. This 40% of the “catholic” vote is comprised of leftists who never attend Mass and should be kicked out of the Church, for once again........supporting a pro-abortion, pro-fag “marriage” president.
The bishops have been in 100% agreement on the HHS mandate since the communist first said he would ignore religious freedom. They will not change their minds.
The more religiously observant a particular Catholic is (and the same goes for evangelical Christians) the less likely he or she is to politically favor the Democrat over the Republican in a contest.
Oh, come on!
This clergy would not even step to a microphone and say “Don’t vote for Obama”. Do you REALLY think they’d be willing to go to jail?
When the costs start to mount, we shall see.
I was right, we were talking past each other. Each Bishop is responsible for administering their own Diocese. Since the HHS Mandate impacts each of them, it is better that they band together. Banding outside the USCCB doesn’t seem to make any sense.
The USCCB has embraced left leaning positions that are simply not shared by serious bishops.
Who are the serious Bishops and are any of them in the USCCB?
Well, I was thinking that something, anything, ad hoc would be superior to where the “official” USCCB organization is. Because it would not be weighed down with USCCB’s historical baggage.
It’s nice to see bishops push back, of course, even through the medium of the organization called USCCB. I’m just saying that’s not necessarily the optimum method and likely to have pitfalls due to historical baggage. Like you said yourself, where are the serious bishops? But you can’t miss how the USCCB has seemed to advocate for porous borders and winking at the flouting of existing immigration regulations, etc.
Restating the obvious once again....
European governments have been paying for abortions since at least the time of Woodstock. And you don’t see Catholic Bishops doing much pushing back over there.
How do you refuse to implement a law that gives authorities the power to fine you and drive you out of business?
The insurance plans they offer are to be phased out and insurance companies that offer plans not in compliance with obamacare regulations will be penalized out of business. There is no more option to for an individual to purchase or an employer to provide individualized coverage. It's one size fits all, cookie cutter policies for all.
Even if these hospitals could somehow continue to offer their present plans and stay afloat with the fines, there are other penalties that can be levied against them. Do you really think the feds won't single them out as examples of noncompliance? This regime specializes in selective enforcement. Didn't Obama just say something about wanting the feds to be fast and forceful? Something like that.
IMHO Obama has the bishops where he wants them. They either capitulate and sell out their consciences. Or they close the hospitals and face demonization by the administration and other leftists for abandoning the sick. After a period of public castigation for following their consciences, the leftists will use eminent domain make sure the Church never gets back in the prolife health care business during a future administration.
I think this is all just a skirmish in a larger battle that is aimed to force every hospital to perform late term abortion on demand, something planned parenthood cannot do on an outpatient basis. It's too radical an idea for the country to accept, but demonizing Catholics and their beliefs isn't. Forcing sale of their hospitals isn't.
My Hispanic priest basically told us we couldn’t vote for a candidate who didn’t believe in things the Church considers fundamental teachings, such as the right to life and traditional marriage. I was shocked because he is a champion of the Hispanics in our community (social justice type) and we are in the Tucson diocese. I don’t recall hearing anything like that, or at least as emphatic as that, all the years I lived in Scottsdale. Of course, we’ve never before had a president as extreme as Obama either.
Where is the proof that any certain percentage of so-called “Catholics” voted for Barry? How is this quantified? I’m a Catholic and out of the 100 or so Catholics that I know just in my Parish, maybe 2 were clueless enough to vote for obama.
He doesn’t know what he’s talking about. Don’t feed the Infallible Protestant troll.
Hey, if the Bishops really want to do something — maybe the ought to stop helping the damned illegal aliens (who are largely “catholic”) who invade the country, want free everything, and are so damned ignorant in the faith they vote for the biggest abortion lover ever to run for office — just so they can get “free” crap.
How about helping them ‘lawyer up’ but FAITH UP. TEACH THE FAITH to these damned ignorant fools. 70% hispanic for Obama support is a ****ing disgrace — YOU built that, you idiot bishops.
[And I say this as a Catholic — but a PRACTICING one.]
I still don’t think they really GET it, not really. Wait til they get the tax bill in the mail.
Maybe. They do it in Germany pretty much that way and get away with it. Not that God doesn’t notice, or that anybody is going to get away with it in his eyes. But they do it that way anyway and it doesn’t seem to bother them a whole lot.
My guess is that hospitals & some colleges won’t close. They’ll be severed from the Church and go secular. Or they’ll be sold to secular outfits. They have no problem with the mandate and would rather be treated like regular for-profits or non-profits and leave religion out of it totally.
Most so-called Catholic hospitals are not operated by dioceses anyway. Rather, they’re run by lay boards and old religious orders get some of the proceeds as beaucoup retirement income that enables them to say pretty much anything they like and not get caught up with by Rome. This is like the best secret in all of American Catholicism. You know the LCWR mess of last spring. Yup, in many cases the exact same congregations are involved.
I don’t blame the Bishops because the US won’t police it’s borders. The Church inherited this problem they didn’t create it. And whether you like it or not the Church has a moral obligation to minister to them. If the borders were enforced, we wouldn’t even be having this conversation.
How about helping them ‘lawyer up’ but FAITH UP. TEACH THE FAITH to these damned ignorant fools. 70% hispanic for Obama support is a ****ing disgrace — YOU built that, you idiot bishops.
There’s enough blame to go around and certainly the Bishops have their share. But there also comes a time when Catholics need to be responsible and accountable for their actions. The teaching of the Church on abortion is clear and the position of the Bishops on the HHS mandate was well publicized. If Catholics choose to ignore that, and unfortunately many did, that is on them.
Also be careful about piling on the Bishops. You are falling right into the demonic Obama playbook of driving a wedge between the Bishops and the laity. Actually I’m not totally opposed to that strategy since it will illuminate and flush out those Catholics who are too stupid to realize what’s going on. Maybe some of them will re-embrace the faith while the rest we’ll leave to the mercy of God.
Agreed. The colleges that will be hurt are the small number of them still faithful to the magisterium. The real losers will be the Catholic K-12 schools. I would expect a surge of homeschooling and the rest of the students will be assimilated into the public school system. This will be a double victory for Obama and his ilk. They will blame the Bishops for this problem and also get an increase in public school enrollment.
The collateral damage will be to EWTN, Catholic radio and the various Catholic charities. Unless they can figure out a way to make everyone part time and schedule them 29.5 hours a week.
They don’t. The hospitals and universities will try to sneak by and will be called on it in many places because of the pressure. They will end up going secular, but they’ve been going there for years anyway. It would have been only a matter of time, although Catholics don’t like to say that. No big deal. You can’t lose what you no longer have.
The real action will be at the diocesan level. Things there are going to shut down or be scaled back.
This is not about going to jail and it’s not about writing a check to pay a fine.
The fines will be collected by the internal revenue service out of money withheld from wages. If business offices refuse to set up the paperwork and comply, it won’t take but a couple of weeks and the waste products will hit the fan. Expect to see confiscations and forced closures.
But almost all hospitals and most universities will comply. You watch. They may or may not get called on it right away, but they’ll comply. They’re going secular anyway.
There will be a few exceptions and they will undergo hardships: Franciscan, Ave Maria, etc.
Don’t worry. Their shock is coming. Their precious peace and justice initiatives will be on the chopping block soon enough.
They may love the Democrats but the Democrats don’t love them. They’ve been used.
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