Posted on 11/07/2012 5:32:07 AM PST by SJackson
I did vote for Sarah and the reason I did was because I knew if I voted romney and he won at some point I knew he would screw us over.It was sure easy after thinking that.
The situation for Republicans is dire. Despite all hos deficiencies and weaknesses, 0bama got reelected. Hillary Clinton, or whoever Democrats nominate in 2016, will be in a stronger position. It’s hard to picture Republicans taking the White House again without first doing dire things like restrict voting rights and deport illegals en masse. But only dire measures will suffice at this point.
yawn - keep mumbling to yourself bub. Us folks on planet Earth aren’t listening.
Romney was second to last on my list of primary candidates next to the crazy uncle.
Allen West got screwed by the GOPe on redistricting. Your argument there is bogus.
Disgraceful. Thanks so much for your support and I ‘hope’ you enjoy the next four years.
The limited list of candidates that are *allowed* to run with party backing are predetermined by the leadership. Anyone else can run, but they will be denied party funds, access to the database of party members, introduction to the big money party supporters, etc. In effect, they will be third party candidates within the Republican party.
Setting aside his platform and opinions, Ron Paul made a great example of this. He obstinately chose to run, though he had no backing from the leadership. And while he was able to muster a large group of very dedicated backers, he could “only bring a spoon to the gunfight.”
Even pushing it all the way to the convention, his people were forced out of the rules committee by the leadership, and he was denied the chance to appeal to the delegates. In effect, they even went so far as to change the rules so that he could not win.
And this is where it really hurts conservatives. Because Republican liberals (who call themselves ‘moderates’), are far more in agreement with the Democrat status quo, if not all the leftist changes they want, than they are with the conservative agenda. To the point they would even prefer a Democrat win instead of a conservative Republican win.
On the plus side, the Tea Party has had considerable success in eroding the liberal wing of the Republican party, systematically taking out many of the worst offenders. And this is the way to slowly and methodically make the party more conservative.
This is often a painful process. For example, persuading the two liberal senators from Maine to retire means that these seats are now controlled by independents working with the Democrats. But at least now the enemy is in front of conservatives, instead of standing behind us with a short knife to sabotage us from within.
And the RINOs were and are expert at this, doing far more than the Democrats to thwart the conservative agenda. Until they are purged from the party, and the conservatives take over the leadership, everything conservatives want to do will be twice as hard.
You're right on this...
Your #40-—absolutely right.These two are exactly the kind that are pointed to as “representative” of what the Republican party stands for, even though they are, were , and continue to be fringe players with their weirdly fundamentalist views on this permanently hot “wedge-issue”.
It’s of course thoroughly dishonest of the Left to bring these two up, but they do it all the time, and for their current purposes, managed to nullify them at least in their local elections.
Who are the “Geriatric Old Plotters”? I think I know who you mean but let me know who you’re referring to.
The limited list of candidates that are *allowed* to run with party backing are predetermined by the leadership.
You know this based on..? You've seen the list? You sat in a leadership meeting once...? Did you see who was on the list in 2011?
It’s not about image. The Obama ground game would have killed anyone on Tuesday. They knew exactly what buttons to push to get white women, single women, minorities, etc. to vote againg the GOP. The Obama campaign was able to paint the GOP as a monolith— everyone was a homophobic, sexist, racist Mourdock-Akinite in favor of rape and making women have babies from rapists. The demographics won’t get better and the Democrats know how to keep those demographics on the plantation in large enough numbers.
Go to Salt Lake City Mitt and take the leadership seat in the mormon church that awaits you as your birthright.
Side note: Much touted black republican candidate Mia Love in UT lost to white democrat challenger.
"SALT LAKE CITY — The Republican Party held its majority in the Utah Legislature on Tuesday, expanding its control of both chambers.
He gave an excellent example.
Get over it. He’s right.
Demographic trends and successful liberal indoctrination means there is a huge mass we can’t reach. You are correct. Tweaking image would not matter to this group. They are gone unless they become educated to understand the benefits of conservatism.
Image is important in politics particularly for the politically ignorant independents. image matters for this segment we have a shot at influencing
My general take is we are hosed. The first group of unreachable partisans becomes so large over time due to illegals, breeding and propaganda that it dwarfs the independents that we could influence. In fact this may has already occurred.
Then ... Game over. we find ways to slow them down
The dead souls and apparatchiks who are the actual decision makers in the GOP. Not the obedient, gullible, desperate or nostalgic base, but the withered old Rockefeller Republicans who actually run the place.
This is no great secret, and has been done for decades.
Originally it was half legitimate, that the party leadership decided to only give support to candidates that they felt were competitive, often who had already secured the backing of the big name donors to the party.
This came to a head even before the primary season had begun with W. Bush before his first term, who had so monopolized the big contributors that all challengers, especially John McCain, were locked out of the process. For his part, McCain was livid about it.
However the Tea Party has clarified a new angle to this, by pointing out that the leadership are all “big tent” Republicans, who were automatically cutting out conservative candidates on the assumption that they could not win, so should not be given a chance to try, as it would just waste party resources.
And while to conservatives, the leaderships’ disastrous choices of Dole, McCain and Romney showed that liberal Republicans couldn’t win; it just reinforced the leaderships’ belief that it proved “since liberals (moderates) can’t win then conservatives have no chance.”
That is their assumption that even their liberal choices weren’t “big tent” liberal enough. In all fairness, the leadership did not reach this conclusion on their own, it is a major belief of the Republican beltway bandits, like Karl Rove, who increasingly reject conservatism and are rejected by conservatives.
You have no list to show. You have a conspiracy theory instead.
All you are pointing to are big contributors, and then the power that comes from winning a campaign.
Yes, you need money to run. If you can’t get big ones, you need a lot of small ones.
If you can’t organize and inspire and raise money and attract talent and build a winning campaign, you lose. No, it’s not easy, particularly if you don’t already have a base - you have to build it. It takes what it takes.
That’s no conspiracy: it’s politics and reality.
The rest, IMHO, is making excuses for not succeeding for one real reason or another.
I should also point out that the most money doesn’t always win. In the end what counts is votes.
The freshman house under Gingrich was outspent three-to-one. John Conally is famous for having spent a million dollars (back when that was a lot of money) on one delegate, and the list goes on.
You tried.
Thanks.
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