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Poll: Storm puts close race on pause (CBS Poll: 0 48%, R 47%, R leads independents by 12%)
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Posted on 10/30/2012 4:23:23 PM PDT by Arthurio

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To: paul544
We all should have learned a lesson from irrational exuberance in 2008.

What "irrational exuberance" in 2008?

From early October on, did anybody actually believe the bumbling McCain had a chance?

But, this year, there are three reasons for some very rational exuberance:

1. Just about every poll has Romney leading the independents by double-digits.

2. Just about every poll measures Republican enthusiasm as higher than the Democrats -- again, by double-digits.

3. Just about every poll has the Democrat party ID at or above 2008. Meaning they are understating Republican voters by...double-digits.

Do you really think D turnout will be +7-to-9 points higher than R turnout, like it was in 2008?

21 posted on 10/30/2012 5:49:39 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA; Ignorance on parade.)
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To: okie01
Do you really think D turnout will be +7-to-9 points higher than R turnout, like it was in 2008?

The only way that is even possible is if young people and minorities vote at even higher rates than they did in 2008.

While it is possible, it is unlikely. This is no longer a "historic" election and many of those who wanted to be part of such an event will sit this one out.

Republicans on the other hand are energized like never before. The MSM seems to believe there just aren't enough of us left to decide elections anymore, I think they are going to be shocked to see just how big our numbers are and how much fight we still have left in our tanks.

22 posted on 10/30/2012 6:05:03 PM PDT by comebacknewt (Newt (sigh) what could have been . . .)
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To: okie01

If this site wasn’t so god awful slow I’d go back and pull some threads from 2008. But anyway... I remember a great deal of people sayi g how wrong the polls were and how McCain was going to pull it out. But when Obama was renting a whole park in Chicago and McCain had half a ballroom in Arizona that’s when it set in for me that McCain knew it was over.


23 posted on 10/30/2012 6:09:55 PM PDT by paul544
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To: paul544

I’d say your memory is selective. Some threads exist, but not many.

There were a few FReepers holding out hope based on the IBD / TIPP poll that kept showing McCain only a couple of points down, but that was the closest he got in any poll in October. When IBD / TIPP also showed Obama pulling into a comfortable lead, it was clear to all but the smallest of minorities that it was going to be the Democrats’ year.

Sure there were still some cheerleading posts, and GOTV posts, but “exuberance” was something in critically short supply.

This year, Obama is behind in almost all of the national polls. The state polls present a slightly better picture for him, but even there he is under 50% in the vast majority of them, and they tend to lag the national numbers for a variety of reasons.

Any student of political history also knows that in most cases, the incumbent will add almost no votes to their totals in the last week of the election. They have locked up just about all they are going to get by that point.

This year may be different because of the hurricane. Obama better hope so at least, because in a normal year, his vote share and trajectory do not suggest electoral success.

I personally think it is going to be very close next Tuesday, but I much prefer being in Romney’s position right now relative to Obama’s. Much prefer it.


24 posted on 10/30/2012 6:30:39 PM PDT by comebacknewt (Newt (sigh) what could have been . . .)
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To: paul544
But when Obama was renting a whole park in Chicago and McCain had half a ballroom in Arizona that’s when it set in for me that McCain knew it was over.

Interestingly, the Obama campaign's election night affair this time around will be held at McCormick Place.

I'm told the place is inaccessible to walk-up traffic. And it is space that can be readily sliced in half, then in half again.

They're not expecting a Grant Park audience themselves, it would seem.

25 posted on 10/30/2012 6:39:24 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA; Ignorance on parade.)
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To: comebacknewt

“........MSM seems to believe there just aren’t enough of us left to decide elections anymore”


Interesting comment.

Over the last couple of years I’ve read several posts from liberals (in comments to articles on news websites) that kind of support your comment. The comments are along the lines of; “pretty soon all these old white guys will be dead and we won’t have to put up with Republicans anymore” ..... or something like that.

I guess those punks have never been to a Tea Party rally and noticed the demographics!


26 posted on 10/30/2012 6:58:19 PM PDT by gnawbone (I hope we have a change in November)
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To: paul544
You know who is winning by terrority being defended.

Obama is now being forced to defend Blue States.

Do some actual research.

27 posted on 10/30/2012 7:04:49 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: Arthurio; SunkenCiv; Clintonfatigued; smoothsailing; rodeo-mamma; Just A Nobody; randita; ...
In the final days of the campaign, the storm may have changed the dynamics of the race, giving Mr. Obama a chance to display presidential leadership while compelling both the president and Romney to give up valuable days on the campaign trail.

That's precisely today's MSM and Obama campaign talking point! Like just about all the previous ones they've tried, it falls flat on its face when put to the test in the real world.

Did anyone at CBS and the New York Slimes notice, for example, that the bulk of the serious damage from the storm came in New Jersey and New York, two states quite likely in the Zero column already. And by taking a trip to New Jersey tomorrow, it is Obama who taking valuable time away from the "swing" states where he intended to concentrate his efforts. Presidential leadership? If he hasn't shown any in his entire term, he isn't going to make up for it with a few phony "I feel your pain" gigs in the aftermath of the storm.

Then again, no surprise. It's the kind of propaganda you can expect from either CBS or the New York Slimes or, in this case, their report of their own poll.

As for the poll results, you have to read down to the very end of the report to notice that their party distribution of likely voters was Dem 36, Rep 31, Ind 33. The real national electorate is expected to be just about even between the two major parties. So the 5 point Democrat advantage in the poll sample skews the real result in their favor. Furthermore, even the CBSers and their Slimes comrades have to know that it's just about impossible for a candidate to be up 12 percentage points in a two main race among independents and yet trail overall by even a single point. Garbage in, garbage out!

28 posted on 10/30/2012 8:43:57 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: justiceseeker93

Good post.


29 posted on 10/30/2012 8:51:15 PM PDT by 1035rep
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To: justiceseeker93
Hussein's latest commercial where he's all soft spoken and radiating kindness in a fatherly way. Anyone seen that persona in the last 4.5 years? Nope, didn't think so.
30 posted on 10/31/2012 12:33:16 PM PDT by bgill (Evil doers are in every corner of our government. Have we passed the point of no return?)
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Your post got me to thinking about what the last minute game plan for Obama is and why he left Florida without making his campaign stop.

They put the whole campaign on hold to change direction and make new ads. They sent Clinton out there with the story about Obama’s feelings being hurt, all because the angry, sneering Obama wasn’t working. Obama is adopting the old Clinton approach, “I feel your pain.”


31 posted on 10/31/2012 12:58:49 PM PDT by Eva
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To: Eva

http://www.electoral-vote.com/

That link is showing Romney has lost Florida. Somehow, hussein will lie, cheat and steal his way into another 4 years (or to enternity and beyond).


32 posted on 10/31/2012 1:29:06 PM PDT by bgill (Evil doers are in every corner of our government. Have we passed the point of no return?)
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To: bgill

How could Florida change that quickly? It would explain why Romney is there, though.


33 posted on 10/31/2012 1:36:10 PM PDT by Eva
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