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Voting Guide for Serious Catholics (or any Christian)
Vanity | 9/22/2012 | pgyanke

Posted on 09/22/2012 8:02:01 PM PDT by pgyanke

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Every four years at the party conventions, the party platforms are updated. Since 2004, I have taken "The Voters Guide for Serious Catholics" (as published in 2004) and shown where the parties stand on the evils of our day.

I am preparing to send this far and wide (family, friends, bishops, USCCB, EWTN, et al). Before I do, I wanted to get FReeper input for improvements and feedback. I appreciate any corrections and/or additions anyone would make to improve it.

May God bless our great land in these perilous times.

1 posted on 09/22/2012 8:02:05 PM PDT by pgyanke
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To: Salvation

In addition to your feedback, I would appreciate you sending this first draft to your ping list.


2 posted on 09/22/2012 8:04:35 PM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: pgyanke

I’m praying 2Chronicles 7:14 daily!!!

Imagine, all we have to do is repent, stop doing evil and seeking God’s will and He will heal our land! Hope we are strong enough to do this or it’ll be hell...


3 posted on 09/22/2012 8:09:29 PM PDT by YouGoTexasGirl
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To: pgyanke

Very nice summary.

BUT why do half of the Catholics always vote for the Dems?

Gallup: Catholic vote a tossup, 46/46

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/05/03/gallup-catholic-vote-a-tossup-4646/

Catholics’ divided preferences at this point contrast with those of the largest religious group in the country, Protestants, whose support swings to Romney by 51% to 41%.


4 posted on 09/22/2012 8:11:56 PM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Innovative

/looks at watch/

4 posts!

Maybe it’s because Republicans say they are going to do something about abortion and traditional marriage, and they run a candidate who supports both.


5 posted on 09/22/2012 8:14:08 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas, Texas, Whisky)
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To: pgyanke

Than you for posting this.


6 posted on 09/22/2012 8:14:24 PM PDT by Domestic Church (AMDG ... there is no such thing as coincidence)
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To: pgyanke
This is a no-brainer.Real Catholics (also known as “serious”) won't even consider voting Rat,the Unitarian/Universalists who masquerade as Catholics will give in to the thrill they get up their legs....
7 posted on 09/22/2012 8:14:42 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (If Obama's Reelected Imagine The Mess He'll Inherit!)
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To: JCBreckenridge

Half of Catholics ALWAYS vote for the Dems regardless of who the Republican candidate is for any office, whether president, senator, or dogcatcher.

How do you explain that?


8 posted on 09/22/2012 8:16:49 PM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Innovative
BUT why do half of the Catholics always vote for the Dems?

I lay this squarely at the feet of our bishops who have been cowed into submissive silence by the threat to their tax-exempt status. Rather than educating their parishes and diocese on these very important issues and calling attention to the Democrats' support for intrinsic evil, they conflate the issues with "helping the poor" and an MSM-inspired anti-war agenda.

The USCCB's last voting guide (in 2010) had a short discussion on the evils above and then spent the rest of their 42 pages discussing all of the other issues. In short, they watered everything down to a mush and provided no real direction for their sheep. The guide simply served as cover for those who wanted an excuse to allow them to vote Dem... "we are not one-issue people; we don't vote by party, we vote by individual candidate". Ok, fine. However, every Dem elected to Congress is one more vote to put Nancy Pelosi (abortion's single greatest champion in the House) and Harry Reid back in charge of the agenda.

I do my guide to encourage them to grow a pair and use them. If the bishops can be silenced by the threat of government, then they can rightly be questioned as to the identity of their true master. No man can serve two. This guide is offered in the spirit of Ezekiel 3:18.

9 posted on 09/22/2012 8:28:37 PM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: Innovative

I know very few practicing Catholics that always or mostly vote democrat. They seem to confuse taxes with charity.
I am Catholic.


10 posted on 09/22/2012 8:32:56 PM PDT by RedMDer (https://support.woundedwarriorproject.org/default.aspx?tsid=93destr)
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To: pgyanke
Compared to platforms in earlier elections, the Republicans seem to have removed overt support for the death penalty, which has been a stumbling block for some Catholics.

This is not as much a real stumbling block for some Catholics as an excuse to continue to vote democrat because they always have, equating the death penalty with abortion, which in numbers and morality, should not be comparable. But it is good that the plank was removed.

11 posted on 09/22/2012 8:33:54 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: pgyanke

Many folks want to serve God, but only as advisers. Is it best to follow his written word every day or to do as we please and beg for forgiveness later? Disagree with his church? It’s OK, I’ll just subscribe to those parts I agree with and ignore the rest. Sure is easy to be a Christian.

Here is a question I posted several weeks ago and to which I am yet to receive a single answer.

“There is something I can’t understand. We have friends who are practicing and devout Catholics. Yet these people support openly Obama who is the poster boy for the abortion industry. How do these Catholics take the host into their mouths without gagging? What possible rationale can they profess that allows them to drink the blood of Christ and then support Obama who is committing the greatest sin possible against the most innocent of us all? Someone please explain this to me. I really want to understand. The Devil whispers into our ear telling us what we want to hear. In exchange we ignore what he is doing. It is in what he does that his true nature is revealed. “


12 posted on 09/22/2012 9:06:49 PM PDT by Ben Mugged ("Life's tough..... It's even tougher if you're stupid." John Wayne)
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To: Ben Mugged

“There is something I can’t understand. We have friends who are practicing and devout Catholics. Yet these people support openly Obama who is the poster boy for the abortion industry. How do these Catholics take the host into their mouths without gagging? What possible rationale can they profess that allows them to drink the blood of Christ and then support Obama who is committing the greatest sin possible against the most innocent of us all? Someone please explain this to me. I really want to understand. The Devil whispers into our ear telling us what we want to hear. In exchange we ignore what he is doing. It is in what he does that his true nature is revealed. “

Ben Mugged - are you Catholic?


13 posted on 09/22/2012 9:15:34 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas, Texas, Whisky)
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To: Ben Mugged

The answer is that they are not practicing nor devout, as you can obviously see for yourself. What’s the answer except that they are phony Catholics who may call themselves Catholic, like Nancy Pelosi, but who, in fact, do not hold the faith and have excommunicated themselves from the Church. If they receive the Eucharist, they do so blasphemously. I am Catholic.


14 posted on 09/22/2012 9:20:11 PM PDT by Technical Editor
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To: pgyanke

Prudence is a non-negotiable Virtue. it requires sound judgment. Sound judgment requires one to be well-informed, and properly informed.

Serious Catholics I know only vote for the candidates that they know are serious social conservatives and leave many offices blank. Thus, they turn themselves into non-voters, handing in a half blank ballot. Foolishness.


15 posted on 09/22/2012 9:26:01 PM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (and we are still campaigning for local conservatives in central CT.)
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To: campaignPete R-CT

It is foolishness. When your choices are A or B, choosing neither is simply remaining silent. If either supports evil, you are now complicit in your silence.


16 posted on 09/22/2012 9:33:21 PM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: campaignPete R-CT

“Serious Catholics I know only vote for the candidates that they know are serious social conservatives and leave many offices blank. Thus, they turn themselves into non-voters, handing in a half blank ballot. Foolishness.”

Right - you want serious Catholics to violate their conscience by voting in pro abortion and pro gay marriage republicans just because they have an R by their name, and not a D.

If the Republican candidate deserves his vote, he will be prolife. Otherwise, we have no reason to vote for him over his democrat companion.


17 posted on 09/22/2012 9:35:19 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas, Texas, Whisky)
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To: pgyanke; campaignPete R-CT
When BOTH candidates have demonstrated track records of being pro-abort, pro-rump-ranger/fudgepacker "marriage," pro-"gay" adoptions and a wide variety of other abominations, then there is complicity with evil by voting for either despicable choice.

When we start fudging these issues based on party platforms, we are doing a disservice to our principles, our party and our nation. If either party is serious about its platform, it is the Demonrat Party. The GOP platform contains a laundry list of our litmus tests to sucker us into voting GOP-E just this ONE more time and they yet again promise to reform their behavior if we elect them. Then they use that platform as toilet paper until the next election and treat conservatives as though they were the eccentric "funny" uncle in the attic who must be kept away from polite company.

Enough!!! If Obozo "wins," the GOP in Congress will make a united stand against him and Romney and the GOP-E take the blame for blowing a slam dunk election through their rank cowardice and spinelessness. If Romney "wins," inevitably how much he and supine GOP majorities in both houses of Congress will trample the platform in their mad and useless rush to seek respect and approval from the likes of Rachel Maddow, Chrissie Matthews, Miss Piggy McCain, and little Ronnie Tutu.

If the GOP, and the RNC and the other bought and paid for fashionable stooges want to avoid substantial defections into the ranks of independents refusing to vote for their candidates, then they can get the Elitist thumbs off the scale, get the hell out of the way, nominate decent candidates likely to carry out those high-minded platforms and seek votes as Reagan did---the old-fashioned way by inspiring the base and bringing in socially conservative Democrat voters who have had enough of Obozo. But nooooo, election after election after election they pull the same elitist crap, ignore the base, chuckle up their sleeves over how much they can take us whom they think of as neanderthals for granted and the GOP winds up losing yet again.

18 posted on 09/22/2012 10:30:37 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society. Broil 'em now!!!)
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To: Technical Editor

I have a friend from college who is a devout Catholic, as am I. She has 7 kids and often attends daily Mass. She lives in California and she voted for Zero in 2008. When I asked her why, incredulously, she said “because of the war.” Say what....? Turns out she’s a social justice Catholic, and they’re willing to turn a blind eye to the evils of Obama and the progressive agenda in order to help the poor, save the whales, and stop the wars. They’re very misguided but they think they’re holier than thou. Makes me gag.


19 posted on 09/22/2012 11:40:24 PM PDT by Prince of Space (Be Breitbart, baby!)
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To: JCBreckenridge
Maybe it’s because Republicans say they are going to do something about abortion and traditional marriage, and they run a candidate who supports both.

You got that right! Romney is a 100% devoted, wishy-washy, pro-choice, pro-homosexual lifestyle, and devout Democrat . . . but, he is not OBAMBI . . . Just why do we conservatives have to hold our nose tightly each and every presidential election to vote?

20 posted on 09/23/2012 2:06:48 AM PDT by laweeks
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