Posted on 09/08/2012 9:03:35 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross
Well, I would argue the problem is not a 4 year problem, but a problem that goes all the way back to the 1930s when the welfare state was created.
The problem is not entirely Obama, but American liberalism, in general.
And the welfare state is not just limited to cash payments to the poor, but extends to every area of life, which includes Food Stamps, the entitlement programs, corporate subsidies and bail-outs, agricultural subsidies, etc.
These problems existed before Obama and they will exist after Obama.
Get back to on how well that works out.
A GOP-E sweep will entrench the liberals in the GOP. Boehner is there until the GOP loses the House, and Mitt will run unopposed in 2016. It's their table, their rules, their comittees. Conservatives can pound sand.
/johnny
I am on Medicare and Social Security. I would vote in a heartbeat to eliminate both and every other government intervention in Health, Insurance, Education, Transportation and a lot of Etc. Are there a hundred of us in the country? Fifty?
I think your first paragraph is an accurate description of the problem we face, but I honestly don’t understand the second paragraph.
A good analysis. The economy is heading towards a cliff and Americans are still clamoring for more free stuff. Obama is scaring people into believing that Romney is going to deny them their free stuff and Romney is busy denying that he is going to deny them their free stuff.
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Meanwhile, that cliff . . .
I don’t know what medicare is, but I wouldn’t vote to SUDDENLY end SS for any reason, I would vote for reform, or for a reasonable way to eventually eliminate it, in fact, that does help guide my voting.
To say that a person should pay into SS for 50 years and then at age 65, when they are old and worn out, that they must refuse their SS to be principled, is ridiculous.
If one is wealthy they can indulge whatever whim they want, but it would be irrational for none wealthy and poor conservatives to make that the routine conservative protest for their last years.
I’m against the pay and retirement structure of the military, I am a vet, but I don’t expect vets and active duty to martyr themselves in a weird, pathetic gesture that doesn’t even make sense.
The JFK Democrats vs. the European Social Democrats. Been that way since Bush 41.
Eact is that the government already the money, taken from many different people, and is doling it out as it sees fit. We have been content to let it make those decisions.
You are right. We can only hope that enough voters will support the standard bearers. But like McCarthy, I don’t them to do much more than try to bale the water out of the boat.
Don't believe the polls. There are plenty of reasons to think that they don't reflect reality. The first is that opposing Obama can be considered racist.
Obama has unmasked the rats as a radical left party. It's the one thing we can thank Obama for this unmasking. Think of all the groups that have been offended either culturally or economically.
But at least the Demsocialists will not be allowed to quickly end the republic and appoint SCOTUS libs . Mitt is not great shakes but he wants free enterprise to succeed and he will not appoint Ayers’ type jurists. There is a difference. The PUbs must win if only to stop the complete destruction of America in 4 years. Conservs have infiltrated much of the Pubs and will be a tempering group. There is none of that with a leftist Dem win. None.
You are much more optimistic than I am on that score.
/johnny
Teddy Roosevelt, the Progressive in Republican Clothing, started the welfare state in America. He gave us imperialism, nascent environmentalism and the “Square Deal”. He was a political invention, just like Obama.
And besides, we have no right to that SS money or that Medicare/caid insurance. The USSC has said so. The government can take it all away when it chooses to and at some point it will choose to. Better now rather than later with no plan, just bankruptcy.
The second paragraph is what must happen when the American Empire finally collapses. As the American State ceases to function, the Moslems will do to this civilization what they did to the Roman civilization- end it and convert the world’s arable land to semiarid sheep pasture that will support a small fraction of the present population.
You can’t do it suddenly.
You can’t just stop the sole income for people who can no longer work and who are isolated and without friends and family at age 70 or 80 or whatever the situation, you cannot make someone pay and plan for 50 years, and then suddenly say psych! and walk away with their money.
You have to make a workable plan for the transition, and then sell it politically.
Paul Ryan's plan leaves in place the SS benefits to current retirees. It has to.
Actually, yes, you can. Except in the hard core ghettos and the hard core monolithic liberal neighborhoods the people themselves will keep things going for those destitute. That is what churches once did and still do and will do more and a myriad of ad hoc associations will spring up to do the same, after, of course the first shock of the rioting etc.
I’m not going to waste time with this fantasy stuff.
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