Posted on 08/29/2012 2:55:52 PM PDT by NYer
what Akin meant to say
Nothing I say will satisfy your inquisition.
Since you brought up Sarah Palin....were you aware that she did not support Akin in the primary?
Instead, she came to Missouri and campaigned for Sarah Steelman. I voted for Steelman because of that support. It turned out Sarah Palin was right in her choice. I doubt we would be having this controversy if Steelman had won.
Then, after Akins blunder, Sarah Palin said he should withdraw. Look it up.
So you think he should be aborted because he's inconvenient to the GOPe??? How Democratic of you.
So far, that's all you've said in answer to my question: nothing.
You've parroted the democrat talking heads. You've tried to divert attention with irrelevancies (Palin's support). You've noted Akin is keeping a low profile (as if convincing democrat shills on his own side is a worthwhile endeavor). You've claimed I'm intractable.
The one thing you haven't done is given the requested "substantive reason" why this gaffe is fatal to his electability.
It wasn't theft. It wasn't corruption. It wasn't racism. It wasn't lying. it wasn't influence pedaling.
It also wasn't the "sound byte" being used to "summarize" his remarks.
So what is it?
You are using a circular questioning technique.
It is the definition of insanity for me to continue.
You can go harrass someone else.
I’m not harassing anyone. I am simply not letting you get away with promoting an opinion that has been soundly confuted.
If all you wish to do is hand down your wisdom from on high for us little people to marvel at, you’re on the wrong site.
I am sorry if you think I have been arrogant. You come across as arrogant yourself.
You are demanding that I explain my reasoning to your satisfaction. Who are you? The opinion police?
If you are not a Missouri voter, then it is none of your concern, just as it isn’t Huckabee’s. I was a Santorum delegate to our district and state convention.
If you are a Missouri voter, then vote your conscience. If Akin insists on staying in the race, I will vote for him, even though I have lost respect for him.
I am not a confrontational person, but I was just trying to get my point across. Forgive me if I have irritated you, but I feel this race is vitally important.
Peace.
that’s not the “internals”, that’s the poll results
the internals would show things like the number of GOP, Dims and Independents in the poll
if you can take those numbers, the internals, convert them to % of those in the poll, and compare them to the corresponding % of GOP, Dim or Indpendents among all registered voters, or among more general surveys of all those likely to vote
then you can see if the survey sample is skewed too much, one way or another, by party, contrary to either registered voters or likely voters in general
if, registered voters in missouri were 100, and 55 were dims and 40 were GOP and 5 were independents, and if the survey had the spread 60 GOP, 30 Dims and 10 independents, then the survey results could be said to be skewed to heavily to GOP voters
I am not saying that’s the case in this survey.
I am saying that without the internals, you can’t know.
What you linked us to is not the internals. Maybe the survey outfit did not give them out.
Really? Even if Akin wins and Romney loses Missouri? I know that isn't a likely result but maybe the "Show Me" state will like a real conservative more than a phony one.
Actually, here are the detailed poll results from the pollster's site. It has the 829-voter sample breaking down 32.7% Democrat, 34.1% Republican, and 33.2% Independent.
Public Policy Polling published another poll of 500 likely Missouri voters on the evening of August 20th
. It showed Akin up by a point, at 44% to 43% for McCaskill. 49% of the respondents said they voted for McCain in 2008 vs 44% for Obama and 7% other/don't remember. 30% claimed to be Democrat vs 39% Republican and 32% independent.
Most recently, PPP did a poll of 621 likely Missouri voters on August 28th and 29th
. It had McCaskill up a point at 44% to 43% for Akin. The 2008 vote numbers were the same as their August 20th poll: 49% McCain, 44% Obama, and 7% irrelevant. However, the reported party affiliation was a little more even: 33% Donk, 35% GOP, and 32% indy.
If the PPP numbers are accurate, it would seem the Wenzel sampling is more than fair as to party affiliation. Could McCaskill still be toast, despite the best efforts of the GOP-E?
Could be (one small step for a stauch Conservative, one cave-in misstep for GOP elites); maybe.
“Since you brought up Sarah Palin....were you aware that she did not support Akin in the primary?”
Sarah’s opinion is her own. She’s only human and not always right. Indeed, I did follow her recommendation and voted for Steelman. However Steelman did not win and Akin did. I will be voting for Akin. I don’t give a rat’s ass what the Democrats (or you) have to say about this.
The Republican Party response has struck me as cowardly and beneath contempt.
Fine.
See my post #87. If he doesn’t withdraw, I will vote for him too.
If you want to call it cowardly and beneath contempt to want to win, then so be it.
I don't think you've been arrogant so much as evasive.
I think you have inadvertently found yourself gushing about how splendid the emperor looks in his new clothes.
Please accept my apologies for making you uncomfortable. Non-confrontational people are not the usual participants on a forum that prides itself on critical thinking and debate.
I do find it odd that you seem to think my disagreement with your thinking had anything to do with "getting you point across." I understood your reasoning from the get-go: I just think it's wrong.
Asking someone to clearly identify the moral/legal principle that justifies their reasoning for condemning an erstwhile compatriot is NOT an unreasonable request.
You seem to expect answers from me when you give none back.
You claim my thinking is wrong. Do you want me to attend a re-education camp to get my mind right?
Since you keep asking, I think Todd Akin’s statement demonstrated that he is not ready for the senate. Maybe you should run in his place, since you are such a critical thinker.
Unlike you, I do not question others intelligence just to get to expound on my own intellect.
Ask a non-leading question, and I'll be happy to answer.
You claim my thinking is wrong. Do you want me to attend a re-education camp to get my mind right?
No, I want you to identify the heinous act Akin committed that justifies your siding with his opponents, or concede the point it is in the liberal's best interest to make a mountain out of a mole hill, and your statements do nothing but aid their efforts.
Since you keep asking, I think Todd Akin’s statement demonstrated that he is not ready for the senate. Maybe you should run in his place, since you are such a critical thinker.
And you yet again dodge my actual question. I know your opinion. Phrasing it in different ways is not going to change it into an objective answer.
Unlike you, I do not question others intelligence just to get to expound on my own intellect.
But unlike you, I do not try to hide my intellectual failings by making accusations instead of giving answers. Furthermore, unlike you, I have not tried to leverage a candidates pro-life commitment into surrendering to his enemies, when as an ostensible pro-lifer with any integrity to speak of, you SHOULD be defending him.
You want to keep up the debate because you enjoy it. Not because of any injustice you believe has been done to Todd Akin.
I seriously doubt you are a conservative, or you would not be denying that I am entitled to my own opinions. You would not try to deny me the right to express those opinions on an open forum.
Let me assure you that I am not a worthy opponent in your debate. I am past my prime mentally, which is what I think is Todd Akin’s problem. I am quite a bit older than Akin, but I am not running for the senate.
I think a younger person would not have made such a mistake.
Is that honest enough for you?
This conversation is over.
You may be “past your prime mentally,” but your conceit is certainly in full vigor.
You’re happy to “make up” reasons why i debate on behalf of Todd Akin, but you’ll neither concede to my point, nor answer my question, either of which would end my conflict with you.
I don’t suppose it ever occurred to you I might just dislike good people (Todd Akin) getting hammered by “useful idiots.”
In my home we have a saying, “You can ask for my help, or tell me what to do: you don’t get to have both.” Obviously, you are the sort that wants both. You’ll admit to a diminished mental capacity, but whatever you reason mentally is still supposed to be treated as fact.
Nonsense! That’s “heads I win, tails you lose” if I’ve ever heard it. You don’t get to criticize someone for not agreeing “two plus two equals five” then have your criticism go unchallenged by claiming “it’s my opinion.”
As the saying goes, “You have the right to your own opinion; you don’t have the right to your own facts.” (And you have the gall to impugn *my* conservatism for not treating your opinion as if it were fact?)
This conversation may be over, but it’s nothing but your own petulance ending it.
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