or how about this baby?
Posted on 08/25/2012 8:30:09 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
Fortunately saying it, doesn't make it so. Repeating pro abortion rhetoric and propaganda doesn't make it any less a lie or propaganda.
And no matter how many kudos you might get on FR for your sophistry it is still sophistry and a pernicious deception.
or how about this baby?
Thank you for your post LJ, for your honesty and courage.
Yours is the reality nobody wants to admit or accept. It is the only reality, the universal reality of the scenario described in this thread. Being a victim does not justify victimizing the next innocent victim. Murdering an innocent baby conceived in rape cannot be justified by any appeal to “consent” or any sophistry that renames murder as justifiable killing.
Fortunatley, calling my original thoughts pro abortion rhetoric and propaganda doesn’t make it pro abortion rhetoric or propaganda.
They are my own thoughts. A question was asked, and I answered it.
And I do not care about kudos. That isn’t why I posted in this thread. I do admit that I am glad to know that I am not alone in my thoughts, but considering the subject matter, it doesn’t provide me any real positive emotion. What has been discussed is tragic.
It’s fine if you don’t agree with me, but if you are going to insult me, just keep it to yourself man, you aren’t going to change my mind, I will never force a woman to bear the child of a man who forced her to have sex with him.
You do that if you want, but you can count me out.
I still shed tears to this day, for causing the death of an innocent human being, one given to me to bear, even though conceived in very bad circumstances. If I could go back in time and choose differently, I would, no matter what the cost in any way.
It is an indescribably heavy weight of pain I will carry to my dying day. What is nine months of discomfort compared to this?
The one that was conceived by rape.
Why don’t you ask the mother?
Why don’t you ask the mother? >>
all rights come from God, the mother has no right to murder the child He created in his likeness and image, created with a soul, to have a purpose on earth and created to live with God forever.
Interesting. Let's break it down.
all rights come from God, the mother has no right to murder the child He created...
Did God rape the mother?
all rights come from God, the mother has no right to murder the child
Aborting the child of a rapist upon request of his victim isn't murder, it is a justifable killing, albeit tragic.
all rights come from God, the mother has no right
Did God not give the mother any rights?
the mother has no right
Apparently not.
Sorry, I don't agree with you now, and I never will. In the case of rape, incest and life of the mother, the ooutcome of her pregnancy is her decision, not yours.
I’m so sorry that you had to experience something like this. Words cannot express. Perhaps your story can convince other young women to do the right thing.
I hope that God and time have granted you a measure of peace in your life.
Rape is such an unjust, evil crime. Just below murder, perhaps in some cases just as bad. In the sense that the victim may never know happiness again.
It bothers me that she never gave consent, yet some people want to tell her what she must do. I just can’t go there. Its as if her consent means nothing.
If you can convince her to keep the baby and raise it or give it up for adoption, then I think that is really the best.
Do you remember the story of Joseph where he tells his brothers, you meant it for evil, but God turned it to good. Something like that.
I despise violet criminals because they destroy so many lives. The crazy Colorado gunman destroyed many hundreds if not thousands of lives when you count all the family and friends affected.
Likewise Rape often affects more than just the victim.
1.The United States Congress
2 The States, and the People
Did God rape the mother? >>>
now you’re getting childish and your logic is skewed.
and BTW, today, with modern medicine, women do not die as a result of getting pregnant, if they do die, it’s usually during childbirth. Women can now get chemotherapy while pregnant and so on. The health-of-the-mother excuse is used to fool people just like you.
No I am not being childish, and my logic is not skewed.
You said God created the child.
There are only two ways that I am aware of for a child to be created and that is via intercourse between a man and a woman, however in this case that intercourse was forcible which makes it a crime, or immaculate conception.
So exactly which method did God use to create the child in question? Because the reality of this situation is that the rapist created the child via the act of rape, and you’re saying that God created it is an attempt to ignore the fact that he crime of rape occured in reality, and until you deal with the commision of that crime and the consent that was never obtained from the mother, then you cannot proceed without behaving in a manner that is strikingly similar to the behavior of the rapist.
Further more, I did not say “health of the mother”, I said “life of the mother”, so do not substitute a more general term for the specific term that I used, or I am going to assume that it is people like YOU who are trying to fool me.
so rape is a crime and murdering a baby in the womb is not a crime, no your logic isn’t skewed, lol.
Like I said previously, women do not die as a result of being pregnant, so the life of the mother excuse is a moot topic.
Pregnancy isn’t a disease, most women whose life is lost is lost at the time of childbirth, usually due to bleeding and stroke. As a matter of fact the life of the mother is enhanced by pregnancy.
you’re purposefully leaving out the Bill of Rights in your statement, how convenient. BTW, abortion was illegal in during the time of George Washington.
Amendment X:
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
Abortion was illegal during the time of George Washington under which laws - federal or state?
No, as I told you my logic isn't skewed. Your logic is skewed. If a mother has no right to consent, or if her consent doesn't mean anything, then there is no crime of rape. Forcible intercourse is simply the Lord's will, and no one can or should resist it or its outcome. lol.
Remove the crime of rape form the book, release all men previously convicted of it. They were just following the Lord's plan. lol.
Like I said previously, women do not die as a result of being pregnant, so the life of the mother excuse is a moot topic.
Why don't you google mother dies during childbirth and educate yourself?
5th amendment, we have a right to LIFE.
Can you provide supporting evidence from the records of the Convention that the intent of that amendment was to outlaw abortion?
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