Posted on 08/20/2012 8:19:56 AM PDT by shhrubbery!
This is why it sucks being a conservative in the medical field, you have to defend idiocy like what you just posted.
Your idea of “liberal sources” came from the Journal of Obstetrics and Gynecology detailing a highly conclusive study over a period of years.
Also, women becoming aroused and even having orgams during forceable rape is a scientific fact, maybe you should crack a book sometime rather than talking out of your posterior. This is one of the main focuses of post-rape therapy, guilt that emerges by victims who were forced into the act and are confused by their own bodies responses. If you deny that this exists, there is no point in further discussing anything with you.
“A woman’s physiological response to sexual contact is involuntary. In some cases, women can become physically aroused, produce natural lubrication, and even experience orgasms against their will during rape.[7]. One proposed explanation for this genital arousal in some women is that it acts as a preparatory mechanism which served in the past to protect women from genital injury during unwanted sex.”
There is more at stake here than any individual politician. It is too bad that the media doesn’t hold Dems to the same standards, but that’s the way it goes. If this guy has put a certain GOP Senate pick-up in jeopardy he should get out.
Thank you back.
I really hate to see this kind of thing happen. I believe that Akin was merely explaining in his own imperfect way that he does not believe in exceptions when it comes to our duty to protect life. If I lived in Missouri, he’d certainly get my vote.
If I lived in Missouri, hed certainly get my vote.Mine too!
If Akin handles this the right way, he will not have put the GOP Senate pick-up in jeopardy. That is the point of my post.
Akin could turn this around with a little political ju-jitsu. Remember how gleeful the Left was, for the first couple of days after Ryan was picked for VP? They thought they had the election in the bag because of their ready-made demogogery on Medicare.
Then Ryan came out swinging. Now the Dems are on the defensive on that issue.
Akin could do the same. Yes, it would take some brains and some courage to be able to do it. Ryan has The Right Stuff, while I don't know if Akin has what it takes. But I hope at least some GOP advisors read FR and figure out a strategy, possibly employing powerful surrogates like Norma McCorvey and pro-life doctors, if Akin can't be articulate enough.
To paraphrase the great Margaret Thatcher:
THIS IS NOT THE TIME TO GO WOBBLY.
Hmmm... whose judgment to trust... Sarah Palin... some guy on the internet... Sarah... someguy... help me out here....
You believe that congresscritters don't lie??
Do you also believe in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy?
Republican candidates, including Mitt Romney, are rapidly distancing themselves from controversial comments made by a Missouri Senate candidate who said the victims of "legitimate rape" were unlikely to become pregnant.Two Republican senators running in tightly contested elections called on Akin today resign his candidacy
"As a husband and father of two young women, I found Todd Akin's comments about women and rape outrageous, inappropriate and wrong. There is no place in our public discourse for this type of offensive thinking. Not only should he apologize, but I believe Rep. Akin's statement was so far out of bounds that he should resign the nomination for U.S. Senate in Missouri," Sen. Scott Brown said in a statement.
Sen. Rob Johnson, R- Wis., all called on Akin to step down.
"Todd Akin's statements are reprehensible and inexcusable," Johnson tweeted from his campaign's Twitter account. "He should step aside today for the good of the nation."
Heh. Well I'm glad you took that with a sense of humor.
I was aiming it more at the wildly illogical Left than at you.
Because, of course, the Alinsky-ites would make precisely that argument demogogic appeal.
But I hope at least some GOP advisors read FR and figure out a strategy, possibly employing powerful surrogates like Norma McCorvey and pro-life doctors, if Akin can't be articulate enough.Good idea. I know even Huckabee and Santorum had difficulty getting out their pro-life words regarding rape without a few ums and stalls, because there is so much pressure, an amazing amount of pressure, regarding this topic, as it is so revolting in nature, and the politicians know if they mess it up, the whole da*n world's gonna know and come down on them. Even on Free Republic, if your t's ain't crossed and your i's dotted, you can sometimes get a bunch of junk for that, and then the MAIN subject matter just flies right out the window. It's a shame. The lives of babies--and the destruction of their mothers--is at stake in America every day.
ThoughtCrime!
Dear Senator Brown: It is your statement that is is "outrageous, inappropriate, and wrong." If you thought you had to distance yourself, weak RINO that you are, you went waaaaaaaaaay overboard.
...and then the MAIN subject matter just flies right out the window. It's a shame. The lives of babies--and the destruction of their mothers--is at stake in America every day.
How very true, mlizzy.
And, I am tempted to say, how sad. But I am TIRED of saying "how sad"! Time to stand up against the lies of the Left!
Yes, the Alinsky-ites and the pro-abort media will send a $hit$torm against anyone who dares to be truthful about abortion; but don't we have candidates strong enough to do it?
Exactly. I like Palin, but she did not influence my vote because I had already decided. Steelman wasn’t even on my list. There was no crossover to the R ballot in my county with a hotly contested democrat Sheriff race. Plenty of true conservatives voted for Akin, at least in the rural counties.
Your straw-man argument aside (nobody said there was a magical mechanism that discerned rape), here is an answer to your question.
This is from Dr. John C. Wilkie, a medical doctor who is an obstetrician/gynecologist:
"... one of the most important reasons why a rape victim rarely gets pregnant, and that is psychic trauma. Every woman is aware that stress and emotional factors can alter her menstrual cycle. To get pregnant and stay pregnant, a womans body must produce a very sophisticated mix of hormones. Hormone production is controlled by a part of the brain which is easily influenced by emotions. Theres no greater emotional trauma that can be experienced by a woman than an assault rape. This can radically upset her possibility of ovulation, fertilization, implantation and even nurturing of a pregnancy. "
Link to quote by Dr. Wilkie.
Really disagree with you here. Thats a losing argument. This stoooopid mistake by Akin is a huge distraction. The other 2 runners up are just as conservative if not more.
but don't we have candidates strong enough to do it?We do, we do. Santorum (although a bit of a loose cannon but we loved him regardless), was steady as a Rock regarding unborn life issues, as was Huckabee and is Bobby Jindal. And up until today, I was holding out for Ryan, until the Romney administration said he'd stand for abortion regarding rape (however he never did before). This is beyond discouraging of course. In fact, I'd call it a huge violation against one's moral stance, to convince him he's no longer 100% pro-life. I don't know what it would take, but I wish Ryan would back out of this race. He seems a decent man.
I like Sarah Palin, but she isn’t God. In this case, Akin is more conservative than Steelman. And that resonated with Missouri voters.
The Conventional Wisdom© two weeks ago was that selecting Paul Ryan for VP would be a loser, too.
Why? Because Ryan was politically incorrect on Medicare -- and everybody knows Medicare is the third rail of American politics!
And yet, when the MSM spins what Akin said, there are a lot of FReepers ready to jump on the bandwagon to throw him under the bus. Me thinks they've resorted to Palin worship instead of using their heads.
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