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EPA is pressured to drop ethanol mandate while drought drives corn prices up
Fox News ^ | 16 August 2012 | Doug McKelway

Posted on 08/17/2012 4:09:44 AM PDT by ShadowAce

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To: SERKIT
" * Use the residual heat from the reactors above to process motor fuel from coal and/or shale. "

There IS a device that can extract heat from most systems that produce heat, the only problem is cost and efficiency.

Check this out.

It's called, Thermal Electric Generator.


21 posted on 08/17/2012 6:16:50 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

I would add something to all of this.

We have oil pipelines criss crossing the country. I would build secondary pipelines that would contain fresh water. On the coasts, build desalinization plants. In flood communities, build pumping stations.

We have enough water on this earth where any drout area would have desalized ocean water diverted to it. And in flood plains, we should have stations that would pump the water away from it.

Want a national infrastructure project that would open up new resources and working with private industry build new economies, this would be it.


22 posted on 08/17/2012 6:17:31 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (ABO 2012)
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To: rockinqsranch

If we discovered the ideal fuel today: cheap, non-polluting and plentiful, the Democrats would regulate and tax it out of existence. The EPA is not in business to save the environment, it is to make us slaves to the progressives.


23 posted on 08/17/2012 6:27:13 AM PDT by anoldafvet
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To: anoldafvet

Other than “cheap” the EPA has done just that with Nuclear.


24 posted on 08/17/2012 6:42:27 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce

The useless eaters at EPA will do nothing!

#1 because they don’t give a hoot about real world situations and problems
#2 because it is an election year and the effin Kenyan will not jeopardize any farm state votes

Romney gets in he should fire every last EPA tax sucking parasite, bulldoze their buildings and salt the soil. I can dream can’t I?


25 posted on 08/17/2012 7:04:27 AM PDT by dennisw (Government be yo mamma - Re-elect Barack Obama)
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To: ShadowAce

link for stations with real gas (no ethanol)

http://www.buyrealgas.com/


26 posted on 08/17/2012 7:21:21 AM PDT by freedommom
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To: freedommom

The real question is how do we get more stations to carry real gas? The closest one to me is about 2.5 hours away.


27 posted on 08/17/2012 7:33:52 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce
Question about corn?

Is the corn variety grown to make ethanol the same as that used for any other use; animal feed, cornflakes, corn oil, and corn on the cob?

28 posted on 08/17/2012 7:41:54 AM PDT by Proud2BeRight
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Animal feed corn is not the same as your corn on the cob you get at the grocery store.

Fuel corn is the same as feed corn, I believe.

Burn the corn, you gotta feed the cows somehow. It's one of the reasons our grocery bills keep climbing.

29 posted on 08/17/2012 7:45:11 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Proud2BeRight

About 99% of the corn grown in the U.S. is field corn. The other 1% is sweet corn used for corn on the cob and canned corn in the grocery stores. Corn flakes, corn meal and corn flour are, I believe, made mostly from field corn.

But most field corn is used as a livestock feed, so as the price of field corn goes up, the price of chickens, beef, and pork goes up. The one argument the ethanol people have is that after the ethanol is refined from the corn, the byproduct, called distiller’s grain, can be fed to animals as a food stock.

The dirty secret of ethanol is that it cuts mileage, so we’re getting little fuel value from it. If you use a gallon of pure gasoline and get 40 miles per gallon, and then use 90% of a gallon of pure gas and add 10% ethanol, and cut your mileage by 10% to 36 miles per gallon, you’d have gotten that same 36 mpg by just buying 9/10 of a gallon of gas and skipping the ethanol entirely.

The main justification for the ethanol mandate was to clean up emissions. MTBE was used before ethanol, but it was a severe pollutant of well water and isn’t used anymore. However, today’s engines have become so efficient that (I’ve read...not sure of this) that 95% of the emission-cleaning process is now being done by the engine itself, and that ethanol is only accomplishing 5% of what it did when the mandate was first imposed. (I’ve also heard that if you run a diesel truck with a modern engine through downtown Chicago, the air coming out of the exhaust pipe is cleaner than the air going into the engine intake. In other words, the truck could be cleaning the Chicago air. Don’t know if that’s true though.)

Note: Both of my assertions (mileage is cut so much that ethanol adds little value as a fuel, and engines are now much more efficient so ethanol adds little additional value for emission control) might be incorrect, so don’t treat them as factual. Both might be well be true, however.

If both are true, removal of the mandate would see ethanol production drop precipitously because car manufacturers would be producing cars that met emission standards using just regular gas, plus it would make no sense to add ethanol if it reduced the fuel value of the gasoline.


30 posted on 08/17/2012 9:20:19 AM PDT by Norseman (Defund the Left-Completely!)
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To: SERKIT

My Energy Manifesto:

If I may let me add; remove the import restrictions on diesel engines and the restrictions on building our own.

Reduce the tax on diesel fuel, diesel should not cost more than gas.


31 posted on 08/17/2012 9:49:59 AM PDT by W. W. SMITH ((Yuri Bezmenov (KGB Defector) - "Kick The Communists Out of Your Govt. & Don't Accept Their Goodies.)
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To: ShadowAce; Abundy; Albion Wilde; AlwaysFree; AnnaSASsyFR; bayliving; BFM; cindy-true-supporter; ...

Wow! Martin O’Malley is actually making sense! Hell just froze over.

Maryland “Freak State” PING!


32 posted on 08/17/2012 9:17:42 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Obama should change his campaign slogan to "Yes, we am!" Sounds as stupid as his administration is.)
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