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Mitt Romney's Selection Of Paul Ryan Is A Sign Of Desperation (Excellent Libertarian Analysis)
Zero Hedge ^ | August 12, 2012 | Tyler Durden

Posted on 08/12/2012 8:43:00 PM PDT by Zakeet

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To: Thorliveshere
Geez, it’s just never frickin’ good enough....

Indeed. And it will never be good enough for some.


61 posted on 08/12/2012 10:22:23 PM PDT by rdb3 (We need Ward Cleaver for President. We already have Eddie Haskell. (ATB))
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To: Kansas58

“The author is a cynical Libertarian, unwilling to ever give any credit to anyone who tries to make a difference for the Conservative cause.

Screw Libertarians, they don’t know how to win much of anything!”

Exactly ...


62 posted on 08/12/2012 10:23:02 PM PDT by WOSG (REPEAL AND REPLACE OBAMA. He stole AmericaÂ’s promise!)
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To: WOSG

“So, apparently the complaint is that the Ryan budget isnt this extreme right-wing budget that would get zero votes in Congress and play into the hands of the Democrats on election time.”

The problem seems to be that the democrats have already successfully labeled Ryan and his “plan” as just that. If we are to support and go with Paul Ryan we are going to have to defend and define that plan aggressively before the Democrats do it.


63 posted on 08/12/2012 10:23:58 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: Monorprise
The problem seems to be that the democrats have already successfully labeled Ryan and his “plan” as just that.

However that issue is not an issue of who the V.P. pick is or what our plans are at all. That is an issue of advertising, marketing, speeches, debates, interviews and grassroots campaigning. Getting the truth out is the biggest challenge for Republicans in every election. When we succeed at that, we win the election. But too often we don't succeed and the Democrat lies are bought into by the public. That is an issue we would be dealing with no matter what happened with the V.P. pick. We could have nominated Mother Teresa and the Dems would make it so the only thing the swing voters knew about her was that she's a religious extremist who will destroy women's rights.

64 posted on 08/12/2012 10:34:36 PM PDT by JediJones (From the makers of Romney, Bloomberg/Schwarzenegger 2016. Because the GOP can never go too far left.)
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To: Monorprise

“The problem seems to be that the democrats have already successfully labeled Ryan and his “plan” as just that.”

ROFL! ‘successfully’?!? you have a crystal ball for november?
The Democrats are maknig the attack but R+R and Team GOP have counter-attacked.

Advantage Romney.

” we are going to have to defend and define that plan aggressively before the Democrats do it.”

Which is why off-target articles like this are helpful only to Obama.


65 posted on 08/12/2012 10:49:10 PM PDT by WOSG (REPEAL AND REPLACE OBAMA. He stole AmericaÂ’s promise!)
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To: Zakeet
I think that the real point is that it barely matters who gets elected in November. The entire political and economic system is so broken that the Republicans cannot possibly fix it, and the Democrats are hell-bent to accelerate its downfall.

We're screwed no matter what and picking through the candidates is like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

66 posted on 08/12/2012 10:49:32 PM PDT by AZLiberty (No tag today.)
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To: Zakeet

Is Ryan perfect? No. Heck, he sucks on immigration. But the author is delusional here. I didn’t say “wrong”, I said “delusional”. It take a break from reality to assume that the American people would support a candidate willing and able to make all the cuts we want. We may as well imagine an America with no illegal immigrations and ersatz American anchor criminals, and with a GDP of 21 trillion. The simple fact is that our fiscal disaster was not created overnight, but incrementally and the solution will follow the same path.


67 posted on 08/12/2012 10:55:53 PM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: Thorliveshere

That’s because with the GOP it isn’t.

Haven’t you noticed by now?

Just look at the four Bush campaigns, Dole, McCain and now Romney.


68 posted on 08/12/2012 11:22:39 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: kabar

It looks like we should be cutting defense spending too, but Ryan didn’t want to do that. We could cut costs of unemployment, food stamps and whatever other forms of relief by just putting people back to work and growing the market of good paying jobs. What R/R needs to do is to have a jobs plan, and right now, not after the election. This chart says that 41% of revenue comes from individual income tax. They’ll need that revenue to cut the deficit. Jobs!


69 posted on 08/12/2012 11:50:49 PM PDT by virgil
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To: Zakeet
If you believe this drivel from Tyler Durden, joke is on you. This is Tyler Durden:
70 posted on 08/13/2012 1:14:40 AM PDT by jonrick46 (Countdown to 11-06-2012)
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To: Zakeet

•Ryan’s supported: TARP, Medicare Part D and No Child Left Behind (NCLB). All three are wonderful examples of how the Republican party only fights for fiscal sanity when they are a minority party, the second they become the majority they expand Government programs at an alarming rate.

•The Ryan plan freezes ... but does not cut ... Medicaid

•The Ryan plan spends more on Medicare than Obama’s plan

•The Ryan plan does not touch Social Security

•The Ryan does not stop the growth in the national debt ... it merely slows it a little bit sometime in the future

•Ryan thought there was nothing wrong in forking over a blank check to Wall St, nothing wrong with expanding Medicare by half a trillion and nothing wrong with growing a department that Reagan’s campaign promised to eliminate.

Even if true, would Obama and crew be better on these issues? I don’t think so. They would keep the spigots flowing at an expansive rate and bankrupt the country in the process.


71 posted on 08/13/2012 1:18:41 AM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: Zakeet

For a liberal Demonrat, he the go-to guy! I can’t stand Mittens but I am not about to promote stinking lying liberals who call themselves “libertarians.”


72 posted on 08/13/2012 2:08:57 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Zakeet
LOL, sure Ryan's budget is smoke and mirrors while Obama and the dems budget is...oh wait they don't have one and haven't had one in over 1000 days.

It seems to me if Romney was “desperate” he would not take a strong figure like Ryan who is sure to draw the barbs but a super safe plain vanilla figure. Fear and desperation are part of the same mix and Romney appears anything but fearful with a pick which by the authors own admission has galvanized the Right.

Like many here on FR any choice made by Romney would have been slammed because they don't care for Romney. In the end the candidates which can offer a glimmer of hope for the future will win and at this time I'm betting on Romney because Obama has proved he is NOT up for the job and has failed at every turn.

I believe as much as voting for Romney people will be voting against Obama.

73 posted on 08/13/2012 2:45:59 AM PDT by beenaround
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To: sushiman

That would make an excellent ad against Reid, but you could make it about the NV voters with Reid coming after them next.


74 posted on 08/13/2012 2:59:30 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: comebacknewt

Correct. Incrementalism is the way back.


75 posted on 08/13/2012 3:02:13 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Zakeet

What a joke. 3000 words and graphs? Voter please!


76 posted on 08/13/2012 3:06:32 AM PDT by subterfuge (BUILD MORE NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS NOW!!!)
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To: rbmillerjr
“Excellent Analysis” and “Libertarian” rarely belong in the same sentence. This article is another case where they don't.
77 posted on 08/13/2012 3:12:16 AM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (Too many thinking Freepers have left the building...)
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To: Zakeet

The author of this editorial is FOS!!!


78 posted on 08/13/2012 3:15:18 AM PDT by Chief901 (Obama Septic Tank Campaign Ads, full of sh!t and smell like crap)
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To: jb729

Zero Hedge is basically a black helicopter website that caters to the Alex Jones styled mentality. It is speculated that Tyler Durden is just a pseudo-name that is used by a number of contributers at that website. It’s probably the Ron Paulista type folks, ad hoc nausem, etc.


79 posted on 08/13/2012 3:30:47 AM PDT by MachIV
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To: Zakeet; WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
No matter how many different persons may post as "Tyler Durden" on Zerohedge.com nothing was "debunked."

The website Zerohedge.com was founded by Bulgarian "immigrant" Daniel Ivandjiiski whose father, Krassimir Ivandjiiski, is a writer and editor of a propaganda rag in Bulgaria (Bulgaria Confidential).

The pseudonym "Tyler Durden" - that Zerohedge uses for either Ivandjiiski or those ghost writers he allows to publish on his site - is not merely a character in the movie Fight Club, but an anarchist who sabotages the companies he works for, and plots to blow up a capitalist skyscraper.

Despite the denials of Ivandjiiski and those anonymous person who Zerohedge offers up as its "real" founders, the details on Ivandjiiski revealed in Joe Hagan's piece on Zerohedge in "The Dow Zero Insurgency " remain unrefuted by actual facts. That includes the psuedofacts in wikipedia's agitprop article.

80 posted on 08/13/2012 5:32:45 AM PDT by drpix
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