Posted on 08/03/2012 4:42:44 AM PDT by Kaslin
They might have worn them to Yankee Stadium in the forties and early fifties, but I doubt they were wearing them by the late fifties...judging by photos I’ve seen from that time period. I went to major league games in Milwaukee and the Twin Cities in the early sixties, and few if no men wore hats other than baseball hats or straw hats. I didn’t see anybody in a suit and tie sitting in the stands. My dad wore a fedora/suit and tie to work, but he sure didn’t wear one anywhere else.
Please help me out. I read the post and did not see anything that indicated government could, should or would establish a religion. You apparently did. Can you enlighten me by providing the direct quote?
If you want the teacher of your kids quoting from the bible, then send them to a private school. If I had a kid in the public school system, I do not want teachers leading prayer sessions even if it’s just one prayer thank you very much.
The grand daddy of them all may even right now be waiting in the wings.
If this line were amended to read:
"If every American practiced the principles of Christianity, conservatism and the Tea Party..."
most of the negative comments would be baseless.
“The first amendment is no way forbids a 100% Christian nation (even if it be theoretical) - if all the people willingly chose to be so.”
I chose not to be so. So please spare me the preaching. I do believe in a Creator, just not exactly the one Christians believe in.
Outstanding! What you’ve described is, I’m convinced, as immutable a law of nature and of nature’s God as dogs giving birth to dogs and not cats. (The rebellious and the atheistic will deny both, of course.)
I’d add only this familiar adage: “He who will not rule himself will be ruled by another.”
Actually that's a piece this old phart is glad to see gone.
The invetor of the necktie should have been hauled out and hanged by it on the spot, and jackets are for cold weather.
IMHO; YMMV.
The first time I posted this it was addressed to myself, such is the risk if posting from my iPhone.
“The first amendment is no way forbids a 100% Christian nation (even if it be theoretical) - if all the people willingly chose to be so.”
I chose not to be so. So please spare me the preaching. I do believe in a Creator, just not exactly the one Christians believe in.
“Sorry if you thought I was directing this at you. I wasn’t. I was directing it at the people (like the writer of this article) who think making kids in public schools pray whether they want to or not is a good idea.
Regardless lets start with the very premise of a public school. The very idea of a state run school system should fill anyone with grave concerns. Those with a passing knowledge of the rise of socialist and communist states should be even more concerned. Knowing further that those who molded the American modern educational system were socialists should only increase those concerns yet again.
Given that the state runs the educational system, with no constitutionally enumerated power to do so, that it was designed by socialists that published their concept of spreading socialism by incrementalism starting with indoctrinating the youth, that the tax dollars spent on education keeps going up wildly while the standards of education are plummeting, that the leadership of the teachers unions have been overtly progressive for decades, that teachers plead poverty while their salaries and pensions are driving states to bankruptcy, your biggest concern is that a teacher might quote the bible or lead a prayer session? Really?!
You need to examine your axioms because your reasoning gravely flawed.
No liberals, commies in the universities huh?? Who is going to run the thought police in your "Utopian society"
No problem, sometimes it is difficult to sense tone from the written word.
It was addressed to me, and i did not impugn your freedom to believe differently, nor would i call my response preaching, but warranted argumentation and substantiation against the false premise on an overreaction against the article.
The title of the article suggested that we might all be Christians.
How was I not supposed to think that a Christian theocracy was not in the mind of the poster.
Stop being so sensitive. We are on the same side.
My only issue is that this would not be a Utopia, as ALL Utopias are by definition a Dystopia. However it would be a lot less Dytopian than the “Progressive Police State Utopia”.
“”If every American practiced the principles of Christianity, conservatism and the Tea Party...”
most of the negative comments would be baseless. “
Agreed
When I see someone putting words in someone elses mouth and then attacking them for it, it gives me the willies. Somehow it doesn't strike me as representing the principles of Christianity.
When I see someone putting words in someone elses mouth and then attacking them for it, it gives me the willies. Somehow it doesn't strike me as representing the principles of Christianity.
Today that could result in praying to Gia or ancestor worship, etc., as that reflects the deleterious difference between Christianity being the basic “civil religion” with its esteem for the Bible as the supreme moral standard, and modern-day liberation theology with its victim-entitlement theology, etc.
It is interesting that even the Unitarian “Father of the Common School,” Horace Mann (1796 —1859), who became Massachusetts Secretary of Education in 1837, stated that “it may not be easy theoretically, to draw the line between those views of religious truth and of Christian faith which is common to all, and may, therefore, with propriety be inculcated in schools, and those which, being peculiar to individual sects, are therefore by law excluded; still it is believed that no practical difficulty occurs in the conduct of our schools in this regard.” (Stephen V. Monsma, J. Christopher Soper, “The Challenge of Pluralism: Church and State in Five Democracies”, The Unites States, cp. 2, p. 21)
To critics who were alarmed at the concept of secular schools, he assured that his system “inculcates all Christian morals; it founds its morals on the basis of religion; it welcomes the religion of the Bible...,” but he did exhort that Bible reading be without comment to discourage sectarian bickering. (Mann, Twelfth Annual Report for 1848 of the Secretary of the Board of Education of Massachusetts. Reprinted in Blau 183-84).
And an estimated 75% of the school systems in the South had religious services and Bible readings (Colliers 1961 Yearbook p. 224) in 1962 when the Engel v. Vitale case was decided.
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