Obama And Romney Are Wrong: Outsourcing Is Actually America At Its Best

Forbes ^ | 07/28/2012 | Harry Binswanger

[WilliamofCarmichael]

RE: NEP and Deng Xiaoping

Yes the Chi Coms studied NEP and Deng talked to Armand Hammer about NEP. Hammer was there in Russia at the time.

I think Stalin ended NEP after Lenin died -- the useful idiots and the Nepmen became a, if not the, major factor in building the economy. Lenin's purpose to save the revolution because Marxism sure as hell wasn't helping and the masses were restless. Ditto post-Mao Red China.

After Lenin the Soviet ideologues were scared of NEP. They ended NEP and the Nepmen. I am sure "the people" seized their property back from the useful idiots like Henry Ford also.

The Chi Com ideologues have done NEP right.. they became the Nepmen and they are now millionaires and billionaires: Socialism with Chinese Characteristics.

.. but they are Dengists and are increasingly opposed by Maoists.

No matter who survives, Dengists or Maoists, the useful idiots' property will be "returned to the people." .. and I say, NO TARP to compensate the useful idiots!

[BfloGuy]

It doesn't really matter, because all of this "free trade" insanity will end abruptly when the eventual conflict with China over Taiwan erupts.

When we go to war with China, I will not complain about any disruptions to trade. But, absent any official declaration of hostilities, the government should keep out of my life.

[central_va]

When we go to war with China, I will not complain about any disruptions to trade. But, absent any official declaration of hostilities, the government should keep out of my life.

Keep Communist slavers out my life.

[khelus]

Thanks for the information. It ties together some bits and pieces plus adds a new dimension to my understanding of 'globalism' and misnomered 'free trade'.

I was fortunate to attend non public grade and high schools with old fashioned curriculum and old fashioned teaching methods. And ... the first I heard of NEP was from a Russian immigrant.

Re:"...NO TARP to compensate the useful idiots" That would make a great tee shirt:
No TARP for Useful Idiots!

[khelus]

When we go to war with China, I will not complain about any disruptions to trade. But, absent any official declaration of hostilities, the government should keep out of my life.

I'll give you this. You are honest about aiding and abetting the country that has engaged in economic war with us. Marx would be proud.

[khelus]

Meant to add (you probably guessed) you were cc’d in prior post.

[BfloGuy]

I'll give you this. You are honest about aiding and abetting the country that has engaged in economic war with us. Marx would be proud.

What a crap reply. What is it about individual freedom that you don't like or trust? Why do you want government to dictate how we are allowed to use our property?

I think Marx would be proud of you.

[BfloGuy]

I'll give you this. You are honest about aiding and abetting the country that has engaged in economic war with us. Marx would be proud.

What a crap reply. What is it about individual freedom that you don't like or trust? Why do you want government to dictate how we are allowed to use our property?

I think Marx would be proud of you.

[BfloGuy]

Keep Communist slavers out my life.

I would never advocate anything that would put them into your life. Would that you were so concerned with liberty that you would pay me the same favor.

[central_va]

I would never advocate anything that would put them into your life.

You are either economically retarded or delusional. Seek medical help.

[khelus]

Re:"I'll give you this. You are honest about aiding and abetting the country that has engaged in economic war with us. Marx would be proud."

What a crap reply. What is it about individual freedom that you don't like or trust? Why do you want government to dictate how we are allowed to use our property?

So the truth hurts.

We've been through this before. Your posts conflate Free Trade as it exists today with some version in your head that makes no accommodate for ethics or patriotism. Marx advocated free trade (free movement of capital and labor across national borders devoid of ethics and patriotism) as a way to speed up global Marxism. It sounds like you and Marx agree.

You have admitted you have no problem with trading with a country that has engaged in economic war on the US because you were "not born an economic slave to my countrymen.".

While our economic problems are partially the result of heavy corporate and capital taxation, massive federal deficit-spending, over-regulation of business, and the Fed’s half-century policy of inflation, they are also the result of free trade as currently described and practiced. Note this includes flooding the country with illegals and guest workers.

In addition note the large global corporations have no problem with regulation; it is a great way to suppress competition. In fact the readily volunteer their expertise to help write said regulations.

Once again you prove Yuri was prescient.

[BfloGuy]

So the truth hurts

I have no idea what you mean by that. You protectionists want to put the burden of the trade deficit on the citizens rather than the government. You acknowledge all its bad policies, but don't know enough about economics to understand that trade is always and everywhere beneficial under a stable currency and an honest political system.

Note this includes flooding the country with illegals and guest workers.

That is not part of free trade as I see it.

You have admitted you have no problem with trading with a country that has engaged in economic war on the US because you were "not born an economic slave to my countrymen.".

What the heck is "economic war?" Cheaper prices? That's not war; it's competition. And the joke there is that China makes its people poorer and us richer by selling us stuff at cheap prices.

You will focus on industries lost by that competition. I continue to focus on the reasons why the capital freed up isn't reinvested here.

In addition note the large global corporations have no problem with regulation; it is a great way to suppress competition. In fact the readily volunteer their expertise to help write said regulations.

That is, of course, true. Large corporations can bear the expense of those regulations and watch their smaller competitors go out of business. Axe the regulations -- perhaps, we agree on that.

You, and others, seem to want to take me to task for advocating a theoretical free trade that doesn't exist. What's wrong with that? The current system is just one of piling up negotiations, regulations, and crony deals.

Our government calls the current system "Free Trade," but it isn't. My version would not contain quotas, carve-outs, or protected friends industries.

[BfloGuy]

You are either economically retarded or delusional. Seek medical help.

Why don't you seek some economics education. You're like people I know who can't spell worth beans and, thus, declare that spelling isn't important.

You obviously don't know any economics and, therefore, refuse to debate it lapsing into meaningless nationalistic bromides, instead.

Protectionism as you advocate would make our economy even worse.

[central_va]

Protectionism as you advocate would make our economy even worse.

Tell it to Madison, Monroe,Jefferson and Washington.

ou obviously don't know any economics

Just because someone is in favor of tariffs doesn't mean they are economically naive. In my case I am in no way connected to manufacturing. I really wouldn't benefit from tariffs, actually it would seem to affect me adversely. But that is shortsighted. The damage to this country that off shoring had done by economic libertarians, one like yourself that have no allegiance to anyone or any country, is worse. They are traitors and have to be fought, hard. But then again I did a lot of things that weren't directly in my best interest in the name of my country. There are many dead and wounded veterens who "job" couldn't be off shored.

I minored in econ in college. As you get older and WISER, you will understand that economics is taught in a political vacuum, which is ridiculous.

[khelus]

cc: Bfloguy

Re:"Protectionism as you advocate would make our economy even worse."
Tell it to Madison, Monroe,Jefferson and Washington.

Central_va, thanks for pointing that out.

Re:" You obviously don't know any economics"
Just because someone is in favor of tariffs doesn't mean they are economically naive. In my case I am in no way connected to manufacturing. I really wouldn't benefit from tariffs, actually it would seem to affect me adversely. But that is shortsighted. The damage to this country that off shoring had done by economic libertarians, one like yourself that have no allegiance to anyone or any country, is worse. They are traitors and have to be fought, hard. ...
I minored in econ in college. As you get older and WISER, you will understand that economics is taught in a political vacuum, which is ridiculous.

What is interesting it that many so called purveyors of freedom are blind as to why Marx supported free trade devoid of patriotism and ethics from economic consideration.

The consequences are pursuing the cheapest labor, worst working conditions, most lax environmental standards until we all live like serfs in third world countries. People will live in such dire circumstances that they will embrace any communist/Marxist that comes along promising hope and change. This is why I repeat what others have stated: Globalists and 'Free Traders' are communists in business suits.

I must interject here that one reason many voters in the US embraced 'hope and change' is Cultural Marxism's infiltration of our institutions including eduction, the media, and economics. The cultural marxists covered both bases: the left and the right. Their story for the right included: compassionate conservatism, amnesty for the downtrodden, open borders that don't impede free movement of goods and natural persons, maximum short term profits, and the idea that neither ethics nor patriotism have a place in business.

[central_va]

The consequences are pursuing the cheapest labor, worst working conditions, most lax environmental standards until we all live like serfs in third world countries. People will live in such dire circumstances that they will embrace any communist/Marxist that comes along promising hope and change. This is why I repeat what others have stated: Globalists and 'Free Traders' are communists in business suits.

Worth repeating.

[BfloGuy]

What is interesting it that many so called purveyors of freedom are blind as to why Marx supported free trade devoid of patriotism and ethics from economic consideration.

What's interesting to me is that the protectionists who want to smear free traders with the taint of Marxism are the ones who actually endorse more government control over the economy. All for the "common good," of course.

Look, Marx did endorse free trade. So, what? He also endorsed manufacturing. Does that make manufacturing Marxist? It's ridiculous logic [if you can call it that] to associate free trade with Marxism if you don't also make the link with everything else he endorsed.

So, either be consistent or drop the phony link to Marxism you depend on and make some real arguments.

I minored in econ in college. As you get older and WISER, you will understand that economics is taught in a political vacuum, which is ridiculous.

Unfortunately, economics as taught in America since WWII is not taught in a political vacuum. Keynesianism reigns and neo-classicism follows close behind. Both are extremely political and favor government intervention. You evidently learned your lessons well.

[khelus]

When all else fails ignore what was actually posted.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2911916/posts?page=474#474

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2911916/posts?page=475#475

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2911916/posts?page=476#476

To repeat, Yuri was frighteningly correct.