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Posted on 07/16/2012 6:10:54 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
Kiss goodbye to your credibility on this issue amongst anyone with a lick of common sense.
So you prescribe death by dehydration/starvation for everyone who cannot swallow on their own.
If that's your definition of "credibility" and "common sense" than as a pro-life Christian, I'll be happy to be denied your perverted versions of these terms.
CONGREGATION FOR THE DOCTRINE OF THE FAITH
RESPONSES TO CERTAIN QUESTIONS
OF THE UNITED STATES CONFERENCE OF CATHOLIC BISHOPS
CONCERNING ARTIFICIAL NUTRITION AND HYDRATION
First question: Is the administration of food and water (whether by natural or artificial means) to a patient in a “vegetative state” morally obligatory except when they cannot be assimilated by the patient’s body or cannot be administered to the patient without causing significant physical discomfort?
Response: Yes. The administration of food and water even by artificial means is, in principle, an ordinary and proportionate means of preserving life. It is therefore obligatory to the extent to which, and for as long as, it is shown to accomplish its proper finality, which is the hydration and nourishment of the patient. In this way suffering and death by starvation and dehydration are prevented.
Second question: When nutrition and hydration are being supplied by artificial means to a patient in a “permanent vegetative state”, may they be discontinued when competent physicians judge with moral certainty that the patient will never recover consciousness?
Response: No. A patient in a “permanent vegetative state” is a person with fundamental human dignity and must, therefore, receive ordinary and proportionate care which includes, in principle, the administration of water and food even by artificial means.
The Supreme Pontiff Benedict XVI, at the Audience granted to the undersigned Cardinal Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, approved these Responses, adopted in the Ordinary Session of the Congregation, and ordered their publication.
Rome, from the Offices of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, August 1, 2007.
William Cardinal Levada
Prefect
Angelo Amato, S.D.B.
Titular Archbishop of Sila
Secretary
So you prescribe death by dehydration/starvation for everyone who cannot swallow on their own.
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No. In my opinion as wrong its as wrong to say everyone who could possibly be kept alive with parenteral nutrition should get it as it is to say everyone who needs it should be denied.
However, surgically implanting tubes is not natural, is undeniably a “medical treatment,” and is certainly not a “human right” by any stretch of the definition.
Discretion of called for here I think. Not just called for, but a necessity, because if there is one thing I can say for certain on this issue its that an all or nothing rule either way isn’t going to be acceptable to the vast majority of people.
Hey troll, I notice that you just joined three months ago, so perhaps you didn't realize that FR is a PRO-LIFE forum.
What difference does it make if a medical PROCEDURE is necessary for a person to receive hydration and nutrition?
Should we allow a person to bleed to death when stitches can stop the bleeding?
Kiss goodbye to your credibility on this issue amongst anyone with a lick of common sense.
So, you define advocacy of death panels as "common sense"?
I have a feeling your stay here will be short.
In America, parenteral nutrition is ordinary care. If it is withdrawn, the patient does not die from their disease process, they die from dehydration.
The proximate cause of death, to use traditional medical ethics terminology, is dehydration, not the disease process that caused the inability to swallow.
Unless the patient cannot assimilate the fluids and food, even if by tube, it is ordinary care in Christian teaching, not extraordinary.
That may not be the case in certain Third World nations, where parenteral nutrition would be so expensive as to relegate it to extraordinary care due to the burden on the family and/or society.
But in America, today, it is ordinary care according to any orthodox understanding of medical ethics.
That could change in the future, given circumstances that are not unlikely, but at present, there is simply no excuse not to give people food and water, even if "artificially" delivered. A drink of water is a drink of water, food is food, both are basic human rights, regardless of how they are delivered. At least according to orthodox Christian medical ethics.
Is that the photo of this judge who so ruled? I’m ok with withholding water and food from him. His ruling proves that any effort to keep him comfortable on this earth is indeed wasted.
True.
I’m just a Podiatrist, but when I was a resident on my General Surgery rotation, I did numerous peg tube placements with the general surgeon on the other side of the short procedure unit table (its so simple they don’t even use the OR to do them). It is an incredibly simple minimally invasive procedure. Its not rocket science.
These same people would have a fit if the same thing was being done to a dog or cat.
“You’ve obviously never been or met someone with a chronic condition who tried to get treatment at an ER.”
Those seeking treatment at a private hospital ER for a chronic condition will be diverted to a community hospital.
Those seeking treatment at a community hospital ER for a chronic condition will be seen — eventually, after those with emergencies had been seen and treated.
“This might surprise you, but ER’s are for Emergencies.”
No kidding. Never said otherwise. If it is life-saving emergency, they WILL BE TREATED at any hospital. If they did not treat they would be sued into oblivion.
“They’re not set up, equipped or staffed to treat the multitude of chronic conditions that most of us are afflicted with sooner or later as we age.”
Indeed. That is why we have insurance and other public medical care systems.
“At best, you get patched up, handed a prescription you can’t afford to fill (or you wouldn’t be using the ER for primary care in the first place) and given the boot.. until the next crisis.”
Ever tried to get your blood drawn at a Quest? Overstuffed with illegals and “poor” that do not have insurance. They all have a Dr’s order at hand directing the blood work. At the community hospital they can get their meds. Can’t be turned down. If they were turned down then the community hospital would be sued for denying care.
“The ER is not the solution to this problem.”
Never said it was.
They have a God-given right to life, just like you do, and there are charities that will cover their expenses.
What if you lose everything you own and get sick? Do you want to be literally tortured to death over the course of one or two weeks of miserable, intolerable suffering so that you can die and not cost anything? And who is going to pay for your funeral?
Be quiet, killer, before you lose your posting privileges here.
The both of you are pro-death trolls. IBTZ
Euthanasia is the newest, largest front in the battle for the right to life. Its only a matter of a couple years at most till there are as many dying from imposed euthanasia each year as die from abortions.
I’m glad to see that FreeRepublic recognizes just how serious and urgent this battle has become.
George Soros is one of the largest contributors to the pro-euthanasia wing of the Palliative Care movement. The pro-life movement is being reactive instead of proactive, unfortunately. But we have God’s Grace on our side. We must arrive at this battle and be prepared to fight for the most vulnerable, because Obama and Soros have painted a huge target on their backs, just as their eugenic progenitors did last century.
Well, you should be pleased that your zot case carried out as discretely as possible.
It seems that if you're not a pro-life conservative, you should get the zot.
Indeed. As usual, well said.
That should get them all dried out.
Two more death merchants get the FR sizzle : )
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