Posted on 07/16/2012 10:42:04 AM PDT by Houmatt
Neither would they say freedom of religion is restricted to the public square.
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Spot on, Houmatt. Of course the practice one’s religion happens on private property EVERY day of the week. Churches, homes, McDonalds, all over the place. Places that permit it.
But I am flabbergasted at your seeming inability to come to terms with the idea that you cannot waltz onto my private property and set up your Bible study group, if I do not permit it to be done on my property. Either my McDonalds franchise or my home.
Take it out of the McDonalds, and substitute instead, say, an auto dealership repair shop or maybe a technology call center. Do you honestly believe that you can freely enter either one of those establishments and set up a Bible study group without their permission? Would you not be subject to a charge of trespassing? Would that not trump your express desire to practice your religion in that location?
Following that same logic, as the First Amendment also mentions speech, the press, and peaceful assemblies, none of these things are actually rights or freedoms.
No, following that same logic: speech, the press, and peaceful assemblies are free only from government interference, whereas McDonald's may prohibit any of them on its property as it chooses - and you may prohibit any of them on your property as you choose. Or do you think you're obligated to host 0bama rallies in your back yard?
Oh, so you are saying people SHOULD be arrested for reading a Bible in a restaurant. That’s commie talk, not conservative talk.
Oh, so you are saying people SHOULD be arrested for reading a Bible in a restaurant.
Only if it's in violation of property rights, which is the case only if the property owner has forbidden it. (Did you really not get that - or was this a desperate attempt to misrepresent my statement?)
“Following that same logic, as the First Amendment also mentions speech, the press, and peaceful assemblies, none of these things are actually rights or freedoms.”
You don’t actually have those rights on private property. The only right you have on private property is the right to leave if you don’t like the owner’s rules.
You can’t do ANYTHING in a private establishment that the owner doesn’t want you to do whether it’s reading a Bible or Harry Potter books.
The problem with that argument is the Constitution does not say that.
I ask again: Which part of "Congress shall make no law" do you not understand?
Bullhockey, commie. You forget what country you are in, and it is not the former Soviet Union, China or Cuba or even Venezuela.
You own a restaurant and want to have me arrested for reading a Bible? Be my guest. And the resulting lawsuit you would get will get you on welfare. Bank on it!
Have you honestly read anything beyond those four words?
If I post a ‘No Reading’ sign on the wall of my restaurant and you insist on violating it I can kick you out. It doesn’t matter what you’re reading. My property = My Rules.
Beyond those four words are all the different types of laws that Congress can’t make. It only applies to government.
Have you honestly read anything beyond those four words?
I've read the entire First Amendment many times.
Now, I ask yet again: Which part of "Congress shall make no law" do you not understand?
And if I choose to sell candy coated cyanide in my shop, hey. Don’t like it? My property, my rules.
Give it up. I never insult FReepers, but this guy is a grade A idiot. In this instance it’s just a fact that can’t be refuted. I’m just done with the moron.
Look, there is enough persecution of Christians going on worldwide and we don't need it here in America. And yet, here we are, at what is supposed to be a conservative website, being told by so-called conservatives that essentially as a Christian I do not have any rights. I do not believe for so much as a second that is what our founding fathers were thinking when they fought the revolution and created the Constitution.
No, I do not think you, Melas, are a conservative. You certainly are not a Christian. Because if you were you would be in understanding and agreement that is not religious freedom if it is restricted.
I am certain you will when Jesus returns, because at that point you will either be sharing this planet with Him, or in hell awaiting judgement with them.
Correct - although if it's not labeled as cyanide and your shop posts no warnings regarding cyanide in the goods, then you're guilty of fraud, which is actionable even when committed on one's own property.
No, you have rights in the public square, your property, and the property of any consenting parties (like your church). Where you don't have a right of free exercise is the property of any nonconsenting party.
I am not the one saying freedom of religion only exists in the public square.
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Actually, no one on this thread has said or even suggested that.
Religion is routinely practiced in churches, which are not public property. They are privately owned. Hence private property. With that in mind, no one believes that freedom of religion only exists in the public square, as we have more than ample evidence of religion being practiced freely and openly on private property.
With me so far?
Since you have confused the very basis of the argument others are making, isn’t it time for you to demonstrate a little Christian humility and admit that you’ve just completely missed the entire point folks are trying make?
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