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Toledoan, 92, mistakenly shoots officer(OH)
toledoblade.com ^ | 6 July, 2012 | TAYLOR DUNGJEN

Posted on 07/14/2012 5:22:21 AM PDT by marktwain

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To: calex59
BS, that is not what I read.

I posted a link directly to the story, so I guess we've reached the point where you're insisting it doesnt say what it says.

61 posted on 07/14/2012 11:15:53 AM PDT by End Times Sentinel (In Memory of my dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: stanne

Replace “gun” in the story with baseball bat, golf club, fireplace poker, brick, rock, knitting needle, butcher knife or any other inanimate object that might be used in a defensive scenario.

Based on your logic, she should not be allowed to possess any of those items.


62 posted on 07/14/2012 11:43:41 AM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: stanne
"...this lady ... has never had a minute of training ... and certainly nothing recent..."
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I am over 60 now, and I have owned guns and been shooting since my early teen years.

I don't recall ever having any formal training...
...except for what I got from uncle sugar in basic training...
...and they didn't tell me anything I didn't already know...

Do you want someone to come over here and take away my weapons because I haven't had any recent training?

Let me rephrase that: Do YOU want to come and try it?
63 posted on 07/14/2012 11:53:16 AM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: stanne
The whole entourage shows up - a fire truck, a fully loaded ambulance, the patrol car and all with lights and sirens.

You are FOS. You're trying to tell me every time a cop is called to a prowler complaint they show up with fire, ambulance and sirens a blazing?

LOLOLOL, yer nuts.

Fire and medical are called after the cops show up and ascertain what is needed, that's why the story is hoaky or poorly written just to promote an agenda...like you.

At night, it’s a scene. The cops light up the back yard with super flashlights before they come to the door, and when they do, they are LOUD, and they assume they know you’re they’re there and they’re correct.

Evidently not, that's why the dumb ass breaking in got shot.

And they assume you know you're there??? LOLOLOLOL....LMAO at you idiocy Did they in this instance"? Cops ASSUME??? Super flashlights???? Bwwaaahahahahaa, yer killing me!

Go troll some one else.

64 posted on 07/14/2012 12:02:50 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: stanne

Fogot to add:

If all of your imaginary made up BS is true, why wasn’t she arrested?


65 posted on 07/14/2012 12:09:08 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Trying, yes.

Not getting through.

This cop stated that the fire truck was there.

I did not say this hapens every time someone calls for an intruder. What I did say was that the dispatcher sent the whole gang out and probably there was a credible report from the woman.

Where in the article does it state that the woman was angry with the cops and wants her late husband’s gun back?


66 posted on 07/14/2012 12:14:52 PM PDT by stanne
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To: Repeal The 17th

You think this lady’s uncle took her out hunting?

Her husband never even showed her how to use this gun. He certainly never intended for her to use it on a cop who was trying to help her.

You are not reading the story.

She didn’t see lights, a cop searching her back yard, a fire truck, a patrol car, not even that the guy trying to contact her was a cop in uniform. She is not 60 she is 92.


67 posted on 07/14/2012 12:19:38 PM PDT by stanne
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To: stanne
I did not say this hapens every time someone calls for an intruder. What I did say was that the dispatcher sent the whole gang out and probably there was a credible report from the woman.

Now you're just flat out lying:

I have called the local police for the same thing. Also, I have called an ambulance for a family member recently.
The whole entourage shows up - a fire truck, a fully loaded ambulance, the patrol car and all with lights and sirens.

Why wasn't she arrested if what you say is true?

68 posted on 07/14/2012 12:21:38 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: stanne

You think she had as much as basic training instruction?

Enough.


69 posted on 07/14/2012 12:22:27 PM PDT by stanne
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To: stanne; Repeal The 17th
Her husband never even showed her how to use this gun.

You know that how. She know how to use it though didn't she.

Quit lying and making up sheitte

70 posted on 07/14/2012 12:26:18 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

I don’t lie.

What I said was probably which cannot be construed as a lie.

She acted reasonably for an old panicky woman. The cop acted reasonably for someone trying to assist. It was an accident all around.

there are plenty of instances of gun grabbing in this country and that is a very bad thing.

It’s just that this is not one of them.

I refer you to you r local gun range or chapter of the NRA.

But any more personal attacks from you will be reportedto the moderator.


71 posted on 07/14/2012 12:28:35 PM PDT by stanne
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To: stanne
I don’t lie.

BS, you jsut did.

Why wasn't she arrested?

72 posted on 07/14/2012 12:44:27 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: stanne

ME:
“... I don’t recall ever having any formal training except for what I got from uncle sugar in basic training...”
YOU:
“...You think this lady’s uncle took her out hunting?...”

My Uncle Sugar didn’t take me out hunting in basic training, he taught me how to kill people.
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YOU:
“...Her husband never even showed her how to use this gun...”
That no one in the last 90 years showed her how to use a gun is speculation on your part. At any rate, she seems to have figured it out. Point the barrel towards the target and pull the trigger, how hard is that?
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YOU:
“...She is not 60 she is 92...”

So, again, I ask...when are you coming after my weapons?
When I am 65? When I am 70? When I am 75? When I am 80?
I’ll be expecting you.
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YOU:
“...she didn’t see lights, a cop searching her back yard, a fire truck, a patrol car, not even that the guy trying to contact her...”

If all of that activity was going on outside my house, I would certainly be on a level of heightened alert, and if while all of that was going on, I heard someone trying to break down my door, I might just react the same way as she did.
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You just keep digging your hole deeper and deeper and you just don’t know when to stop.


73 posted on 07/14/2012 12:44:33 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: stanne
I don’t lie.

BS, you jsut did.

Why wasn't she arrested?

You can report me all day long, TROLL.

74 posted on 07/14/2012 12:45:05 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Some people just don’t get it.


75 posted on 07/14/2012 12:48:47 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: stanne; Las Vegas Ron
"...you will be reported to the moderator..."
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STOP PICKING ON ME!

76 posted on 07/14/2012 12:54:32 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

“She know how to use it though didn’t she”.

Ah, no. That’s what the story is about.

If you think this cop was there just to break in and take her gun fine. I see no evidence of that in the article.

Have you read it?

If she were so proficient in shooting then why did she call the cops and shoot them, instead of shooting the intruder?

Of course I don’t know if her husband taught her; I am stating an obvious scenario and you know it. Anyone with a minute of training knows not to get themselves into a friendly fire incident, which is what this was.

One can certainly assume she wasn’t proficient enough to use it for its intended use - to shoot the intruder before or after calling the cops. she has a right to do this as much as she had the right to shoot the cop who was breaking in.

You think he was breaking in just to grab her gun? Really?

You think she wanted to shoot the cops whom she asked to help her?

She knew how to pull the trigger - who doesn’t? - But certainly not to identify her target. Some are trying to make this story into a don’t tread on me story but that is not the way this woman intended the episode to turn out; yes, I am making an assumption based on the facts.

She asked the cops to come over. The fire truck was on the scene. Those facts are in the story as written.


77 posted on 07/14/2012 12:55:02 PM PDT by stanne
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To: Repeal The 17th

Not really.

I’m just enjoying this debate a little too much, avoiding Saturday chores.


78 posted on 07/14/2012 12:56:56 PM PDT by stanne
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To: stanne

“...Anyone with a minute of training knows not to get themselves into a friendly fire incident...”
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Apparently the cop was absent on that day of training.


79 posted on 07/14/2012 1:02:20 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: Repeal The 17th

Ooh, touche!

But think it through, She feels worse than he does.

He’d feel worse than he does already if HE had shot HER or a fellow cop than he does getting shot(yes, that was an assumption).

He reasonably accepted the low risk of getting shot by a 92 y/o woman in distress, not known to have a gun, in order to help her.

Hate cops much?


80 posted on 07/14/2012 1:11:33 PM PDT by stanne
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