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I call for a Constitutional Convention (vanity)
Vanity | 06/29/2012 | Buffaloguy

Posted on 06/29/2012 10:32:59 AM PDT by buffaloguy

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To: Hostage

Take a long hard serious look at what is the alleged leadership of the Republican party . Then come back & tell me that you honestly think the Mr. Boehner & company would not crap his pants & bust out crying like a 3y/o with a skinned knee at the first hint of hostility from the other side.


61 posted on 06/29/2012 1:09:03 PM PDT by Nebr FAL owner
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To: Monorprise

Again, see my profile for some of the tweaks I think are necessary. Much of what you raise are covered.


62 posted on 06/29/2012 1:31:36 PM PDT by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for white collar criminals!!)
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To: DuncanWaring
Or this - a piece I wrote years ago:
The US Constitutional Convention of 2009

It could be any year, but the result would be the same.

63 posted on 06/29/2012 1:36:16 PM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: Jim from C-Town

We go nowhere. We fight!


64 posted on 06/29/2012 1:56:30 PM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: clee1
I, for one, am sick of the fight. It makes no difference. The Left, though a minority gets what it wants by hook or by crook. They never follow the rules and we can always count on some shiftless fool, like John Roberts, to piss on our heads and swear it is raining. Unless it isn't raining, but that makes it piss anyway, but don't worry it isn't piss. or maybe it is.

Regardless, I saved the law!

65 posted on 06/29/2012 2:03:58 PM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: buffaloguy

We simply stop paying the bills. If even 25% of the wage earners refused to allow payroll deductions for one month, they would get the message. No more of our money until we are heard. These people who want to live off the backs of the earners would suddenly realize just who keeps them in free cell phones, free healthcare, free rent, free utilities and of course, food stamps. Maybe instead of thumbing their nose at s they would say thanks.


66 posted on 06/29/2012 2:09:02 PM PDT by Toespi
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To: DaveInDallas

It’s not a democratic process. It’s a republican process meaning it is a count of states, not voters.

It means that Wyoming has as much say as California and Tennessee has as much say as New York.

Therefore, all those urban dole squatters will have a say to their state only but not to the USA.

Yes, misinformed idiocy is right. Idiocy is a state of child-like rationale.

Try reading and understanding the Constitution. It was written for all Americans to grasp.


67 posted on 06/29/2012 2:24:35 PM PDT by Hostage (Be Breitbart!)
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To: Nebr FAL owner

BS again! Boehner and the republican establishment will have no say in states constitutional conventions. That’s why the Founders wrote it into the Constitution so that if an aristocracy should form, the People would have a Trump Card!

And you are bitching about our Trump Card! Hell with you! You don’t like it, you can stick where the sun don’t shine.


68 posted on 06/29/2012 2:28:20 PM PDT by Hostage (Be Breitbart!)
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To: buffaloguy

A con con right now is a poor idea.


69 posted on 06/29/2012 2:28:23 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: PhiloBedo

Both the Commerce Clause and Congress’s ability to levy taxes (thanks to Justice Roberts) need to be rewritten. We need a way of returning to the status quo ante Wickard v. Filburn, and of preventing Congress from using the method Roberts has drawn attention to of imposing confiscatory taxes on those who don’t behave in a certain way.

The first is relatively simple:

The power of Congress to regulate interstate commerce shall not be construed as permitting Congress to impose laws prohibiting or requiring activity confined within the borders of any of the several states. All laws currently in force whose constitutionality has been justified in court decisions or asserted in preambulatory language in the statute on the basis that they regulate activities which substantially affect interstate commerce which regulate activity confined with in the borders of any of the several states shall become void six months after the ratification of this amendment.

(Sorry drug warriors, Federal drug laws will be limited to non-importation and non-transport across state lines.)

The taxation issue is more vexing. The simplest fix would be:

Congress shall have no the authority to levy taxes which are waived for persons undertaking some action specified by statute or regulation or on the basis of membership in a group defined by statute or regulation. Collection of any tax presently created by any legislation currently in force. passage of which would be proscribed by this amendment, shall cease six months after the ratification of this amendment.

Of course, that could be stretched by the courts to invalidate any favorable tax treatment of, say, investment in R&D, and maybe even to require the income tax be converted into a flat tax with fixed exemption and no deductions. A brief amendment with the desired effect which couldn’t be stretched that way would be hard to write, but maybe that’s okay.

Of course another thing to do is to cap the rate on the income tax by Constitutional amendment (if not abolish altogether) at some percentage of gross income (say 10% — if it’s good enough for the God of Israel, it should be good enough for the Feds), and let Congress pass excise taxes and tariffs to make up the difference.

(I figure six months is enough time for Congress and the several states to fix up the problems suddenly voiding lots of laws would create given that they have the lead time of the ratification process to think about it.)


70 posted on 06/29/2012 2:56:06 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Wanna bet they’d change that requirement to “popular majority” or some such?


71 posted on 06/29/2012 3:00:24 PM PDT by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: Monorprise

Then what makes you think they’d abide by any limits in a new Constitution?


72 posted on 06/29/2012 3:03:35 PM PDT by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: buffaloguy

Yep, let’s go. How can we make this work?


73 posted on 06/29/2012 3:21:19 PM PDT by Vision ("Did I not say to you that if you would believe, you would see the glory of God?" John 11:40)
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To: Little Ray

“Then what makes you think they’d abide by any limits in a new Constitution?”

They won’t, they will, as is the case in the present Constitution. Follow their own self-interest which in the case of politicians and their appointed cronies(employees in back robes) will be to defend and advance their own power.

This is the fundemental problem with allowing Washington to define(by way of its employees in a black-robes) the extent of its own power.

So instead I support having that authority in the States. The states will advance their own power just like Washington, but unlike Washington you as an individual will be able to advance and protect your own rights by voting with your feet.
You see unlike federal power State power can’t prevent you from taking your money & industry and leaving. They are thus in that critical way forced to remain “competitive”.


74 posted on 06/29/2012 3:40:19 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: Hostage
It’s not a democratic process. It’s a republican process

No kidding. The "2/3" and "3/4" of the states kinda gives that away.

Therefore, all those urban dole squatters will have a say to their state only

Those "squatters" are enough to make quite a few states bright blue.
75 posted on 06/29/2012 4:07:43 PM PDT by DaveInDallas
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To: DaveInDallas

>”Those “squatters” are enough to make quite a few states bright blue.”

You said it yourself. You said “a few states”. Yes, that is true. And a few states do not make for an out-of-control convention.

The 2010 historic conservative win in the statehouses give conservatives a wide lead in controlling state constitutional conventions.


76 posted on 06/29/2012 4:37:20 PM PDT by Hostage (Be Breitbart!)
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To: Monorprise
All you really need to do to fix the Federal government is to put Senators and Representatives under the thumbs of their States and districts respectively.

States will maintain compounds in the capital for purposes of housing their Senators and Representatives and providing them office space. They may reside elsewhere, but only at their own expense.

The staff for all Senators and Representatives will be provided by the State, who will be responsible their pay and allowances. They will serve at the pleasure of the State Civil Service.

For Senators, they will serve at the pleasure of the Governor and Legislature. The State Government is responsible for all their pay, allowances, insurance, retirement, etc. They may not receive compensation from the Federal government in any form.

For Representatives, they will serve a 2 year term, subject to recall at any time by a special vote of their district. They must reside in their district. Their pay, pay, allowances, insurance, retirement, etc., will provided by a special levy from their district. They may not receive any compensation from the Federal Government in any form.

Once you do that, you turn Senators and Congresscritters into representatives of their States and districts, instead of employees of the Federal government. You can fine 'em, fire 'em, call 'em home, cut their pay, etc.

Topping that off you need an amendment: Congress may not exempt itself from any law it passes.

77 posted on 06/29/2012 4:44:35 PM PDT by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: Hostage
The 2010 historic conservative win in the statehouses give conservatives a wide lead in controlling state constitutional conventions.

You mean the 2010 election where 13 states elected Democratic U.S. senators after Obamacare was passed?
78 posted on 06/29/2012 6:06:55 PM PDT by DaveInDallas
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To: DaveInDallas

Do you have a problem reading? I said statehouses not Congress.


79 posted on 06/29/2012 6:12:19 PM PDT by Hostage (Be Breitbart!)
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To: Hostage
Do you have a problem reading? I said statehouses not Congress.

Nope, just pointing out that 13 states (enough to defeat any "conservative" Constitutional amendment) elected Democrats to the very body that passed Obamacare AFTER Obamacare was signed into law. Do you know how many states elected Democratic governors in the same year? Judging by your comment, you don't.
80 posted on 06/29/2012 7:37:04 PM PDT by DaveInDallas
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