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A Rising Tide of Acid Off California
ScienceNOW ^ | 14 June 2012 | Robert F. Service

Posted on 06/25/2012 1:27:18 AM PDT by neverdem

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To: Redcloak
One would expect that actual scientists would state measurements of acidity in terms of pH, not nebulous percentages.

You know...

Sciencey stuff.

"Foreboding. Animation of changes in ocean acidification over time in the California Current System. The left side shows the depth of aragonite saturation, and the right side shows the surface ocean pH."

"Declining pH of seawater reduces the amount of carbonate ions in the water, which many shell-building organisms combine with calcium to create the calcium carbonate that they use to build their shells and skeletons."

"Along the central Oregon coast, for example, when summer winds blow surface ocean waters offshore, a measure of the amount of CO2 in the water known a partial pressure rises from a few hundred to over 2000, causing ocean acidity to spike."

How's that?

61 posted on 06/25/2012 10:52:47 AM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: Carry_Okie; Tolerance Sucks Rocks; Battle Axe; exDemMom; no-to-illegals; Jack Hydrazine; SCalGal
Silly me. I thought CO2 was chemically neutral. Ah, well, what do I know? I guess I have a just basic understanding.

It combines with water to form carbonic acid, H2CO3 which is in equilibrium with hydronim ions, H3O+ and bicarbonate ions, HCO3-. It's a weak acid that's the main buffer to changes of blood pH. (The phosphoric acid phosphate buffer probably contributes in a minor way. Phosphoric acid is in various cola pop drinks.)

When someone can't breath properly e.g. they're breathing too slowly, they can't eliminate CO2 in their blood. Their pH goes down. It's called respiratory acidosis. When someone has an anxiety attack and breathes too rapidly, they're blowing off too much carbon dioxide. It's called respiratory alkalosis. That's why you have them rebreathe air from a paper bag.

My undergraduate major was chemistry. exDemMom has it right in comment# 32. She even went into the equilibrium with carbonate ions. I'm just reading through the thread now.

62 posted on 06/25/2012 11:59:30 AM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem
It combines with water to form carbonic acid, H2CO3 which is in equilibrium with hydronim ions, H3O+ and bicarbonate ions,

I'm familiar with the processes in the body, but that is a different thing than sea water (less saline). Are you talking about the fraction of CO2 not in solution? Else algae wouldn't be able to use it.

63 posted on 06/25/2012 12:30:33 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (GunWalker: Arming "a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as well funded")
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To: Carry_Okie
I'm familiar with the processes in the body, but that is a different thing than sea water (less saline). Are you talking about the fraction of CO2 not in solution? Else algae wouldn't be able to use it.

Concentrations of molecules and ions may differ, but the varius equilibia reactions will still happen in essentially aqueous solutions. Water still has minute amounts of hydronium and hydroxide ions in equilibrium. Adding CO2 makes it acidic, but just weakly. It doesn't completely dissociate, as opposed to strong acids like sulphuric or nitric acids which almost completely dissociate for all intents and purposes. That's why when CO2 is involved it's called a buffer system.

64 posted on 06/25/2012 12:48:46 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem
The problem with the hypothesis is that for the most part the recent addition of CO2 to the atmosphere is coming FROM the ocean not going into it. The bulk of the increase came out of solution in seawater because of the recently concluded increase in solar radiation (the solubility curve is in my CRC). That is why the Vostock Ice Core data show an approximately 100 year lag of atmospheric CO2 levels behind changes in temperature.

Effectively, the ocean has been going flat, like warm beer.

Yet my next question is whether the solubility of CO2 in seawater has any significant effect on its disassociation into carbonic acid with such small temperature differences. I cannot believe the effects are of any significance compared to bajillions of tons of sulfuric acid from the open combustion of coal in Asia.

65 posted on 06/25/2012 3:14:05 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (GunWalker: Arming "a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as well funded")
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To: muawiyah
more likely to boil up some coral in fact.

Let me know how that goes. You want some fries with that?

66 posted on 06/25/2012 3:55:21 PM PDT by Rocky (Obama is pure evil)
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To: neverdem

Offshore Oregon has some large volcanoes belching gases. They are deep underwater but still very much alive!


67 posted on 06/25/2012 4:14:21 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: neverdem
My undergraduate major was chemistry.

Congratulation on having made the achievement. Am Trumped!

68 posted on 06/25/2012 5:10:37 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: neverdem

I noticed that the “foreboding” animation doesn’t get foreboding until far into the future. What few frames there are that show actual data from the past show fairly constant pH levels. Once the “data” switches to projections, its foreboding coefficient seems to go through the roof. My guess is that if one were to graph the change from past data to future projection, the shape would look curiously like a certain piece of sports equipment that’s quite popular in Canada.


69 posted on 06/25/2012 11:08:03 PM PDT by Redcloak (Mitt Romney: Puttin' the "Country club" back in "Republican".)
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To: neverdem
What they don't tell you is that the oceans have always been alkaline; they are alkaline now; and they are such a huge potential sink for CO2 that they will almost certainly remain alkaline forever.

They also don't tell you that much of current sea life--ie, critters like reef corals and shellfish, love CO2 as it enriches their ability to capture calcium and make shells (calcium carbonate, ie limestone).

The "acidification" scam is another desperate attempt to salvage a failing "theory" of AGW.

70 posted on 06/28/2012 1:47:04 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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