Posted on 06/13/2012 6:05:21 PM PDT by Grig
Romney is a lying liberal pro-abortion weasel. His Mormonism is not the issue, but it certainly provides a nice excuse for those who would like to deflect attention away from his record... “Those intolerant FReepers don’t like Mitt because he’s Mormon!”
To Grig: My family and I are not voting for either liberal, Obama or Romney, so YOU deal with it.
This was a pretty funny bit that Emo Phillips did a while back that pretty much sums up the perception I have of people who bash other religions.
As a christian, I have always believe love of one another was the greatest gift, and lesson Christ gave to his bride. The absolute hatred I have seen spewed on this board towards Mormons and some others is repugnant. Each person should ask themselves “Which presidential candidate, believes exactly as I do?” If you're anything like me, chances are none of them share your exact beliefs. So if religion is the only litmus test for you, you're likely not going find your ideal candidate. So I guess as far as religion as well as everything else for that matter, I guess I'll go with the guy who more closely shares the same values I do. The anti-Romney chorus has become so shrill on here, I've almost given up coming on here altogether. It's not that I'm a big Mitt fan. He was my least favored candidate (except maybe Ron Paul). I was never a great contributor to the board. I won't be missed if I just end up somewhere else. I do think there is the danger of chasing away some folks many of you will miss though. Having said that, I do still for the most part enjoy seeing the opinions on news etc. from the folks on here, and will probably keep coming on, but it's not the same FR I used to love.
Get over yourself.
Welllll ... I want to be a FReeper, so I will vote for the one JimRob says to vote for.
“1 And then the Lord said: Let us go down. And they went down at the beginning, and they, that is the Gods, organized and formed the heavens and the earth.”
Might you say this is not the most important book to Mormonism, then why, if the scripture, and not the “Pearl of Great Price” is true, is it a part of Mormonism?
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“In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.”
Gen 1:1
“Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.” Isaiah 44:8
“I am the Lord, and there is none else, there is no God beside me.” Isaiah 45:5
“Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God” Isaiah 44:6
“And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.” Genisis 1:26
If the scriptures are foundational to the LDS, then “Let Us” is testimony to God's attributes, not to a polytheistic nature.
John 10:30 “I and my Father are one.”
John 14:9 “Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?”
The Jews have never ascribed a divided nature to God. The Old Testament is in their language, then how does Mormonism claim the “Book of Mormon” is the “most correct of any book on the earth”, meaning, more correct than what the Jews understood their own language to mean. How is this not pride?
I know absolutely nothing about the Mormon religion except that the rules are, “No drinking”, “No smoking”, and “No gambling”.
That’s good enough for me. :-)
But I still won’t vote for Romeny.
First, I'll tell you my predictions of what effect a Romney presidency will have on the reputation of the entire Mormon "community" in the USA, as I told several LDS co-workers today.
95% of American blacks voted for Obama. Twenty or a hundred years from now, history and people WILL NOT blame American blacks for voting for Obama, because they are "... fill-in-the-blank ..." and they could not have possibly known better.
95% or more of Mormons will vote for Romney. Twenty or a hundred years from now, history and people WILL STILL blame American Mormons for whatever damage he causes, and for his preventing the reversal of the accumulated Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush damages to the USA as a Constitutional republic. Mormons, partly because they are perceived as reasonably well educated, collectively, and because they all know damn well that Romney is devoid of any conservative principles, will forever and ever be associated with Romney's record as president.
Yes, we all know about that prophecy thing, (that some Mormon will save the USA, or something like that), and Romney has about as much chance of living up to it as Barry Odinga. And, oops, that prophecy comes with a HUGE DISCLAIMER: ("... if it is to be saved."), or something like that.
Everyone I know (at least those I consider human) will be voting against Obama, and that means Romney will get our vote. We'll do whatever we can to pressure him toward the right, but his entire life story is one of crony communism; i.e. stealing from others, and redistributing the spoils to himself and his cronies.
Romney's behavior and that of his supporters during this primary season has only reinforced the charges that the corruption and crony communism will continue if he is elected.
Been hanging out over at Democratic Underground again meadsjn?
It's clear you found nothing offensive about Obama's "lipstick on a pig" comment regarding Sarah Palin.
I've never hung out at DU, and I've been using and explaining that terminology for many years.
I’ve read your definition. The term is moronic.
Only to people who wrongly believe that those who steal other people's money for their investment ventures are "capitalists".
Is your claim that no FR Mitt Haters are motivated by Mormon-hatred?
Are you claiming that no FR Mitt-bashers are motivated by Mormon-hatred?
Romney knows better than anyone that his Presidency will be the most consequential reflection ever on the legitimacy of the Mormon faith. This gives him every incentive to seek to be perceived as a successful President by the American people as a whole.
This is where you went "one toke over the line".
Those who knew and understood Reagan, won't be pointing to the car salesman Romney as being anything in the way of a second coming of Reagan. If such a fantasy as that could be true, we'd have seen some clear sign of it by now. Mittens doesn't have the rhetorical chops, period.
From there on you continued go all Choom-gang on us. Some Chinaman, or some whack-job "evangelical" assassinate Romney??? Pipe dreams. It would make more sense to look towards the faggoty left-wing, being as Mormons stirred up enduring hatreds among the Castro Street bath house crowd for Mormon support of Prop 8 in California.
At this point it's still very difficult for me to see enough Dem voters defecting to vote for the likes of Mittens. Something about the man made me distrust him at first sight...and I'm not the only one who picks up on it. He's been a career presidential candidate, and other than that I truly wonder if the man honestly knows himself, beyond the fact he strongly desires to be President. He's no Ronald Reagan, of that we can be sure.
Then some greater recognition of Mormons as being Christian? Among actual Christians? Perhaps, but only to the extent their beliefs are influenced and truly guided more by what a faithful King James derivative New Testament offers, than that whack-job (speaking of whack-jobs) Book of Mormon guides them, then yes--- not unlike how it is today. (Becoming less specifically Mormon, and more like Christians of those centuries before the con artist swindler Joseph Smith came along). So there's no victory for Mormonism on that horizon, now matter how much pride and longing may lead one to predict their own cult's vindication.
Otherwise, we reject the Mormon attempts at witchcraft.
Your "prophesy" reads not unlike Muslim predictions that we will all bow down someday and thank Allah that he sent Muhammad (may pork be upon him, or may police be called upon him).
My personal advice to you, is to stay out of the prophecy business. You are presently out of your depth.
Sorry, wrong on that one
NO WHERE in the Bible does someone who has no conscious knowlege of changing their heart in repentence go forward in Baptism
Arggggghhhhhh!
No! Come on, we all get that there are morons (bigots and prejudice) that come in all stripes and color that do and will.
Enough said. Obviously you do not get or understand my point. I will learn to write english better next time.
Let it go.
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