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75-year-old man charged with fatally shooting boy, 13(WI)
jsonline.com ^ | 1 June, 2012 | Bruce Vielmetti

Posted on 06/11/2012 6:04:37 PM PDT by marktwain

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To: MHGinTN
When we start winking at an old man for shooting a 13 year old kid because he believes the kid stole his stuff, we have indeed gone into the dark side of lawlessness which is the favored realm of thugs and criminals, and perhaps Mr. Spooner’s neighbors. Who knows? If he caught someone inside robbing him, well that’s a whole

I have personal experience with good neighborhoods going bad. My neighbors were old.....twice my age, and the homes were brick, well kept and owned by mostly veterans or their widows. NICE homes. After 8 years in that community, the writing was on the wall, section 8 apartments, sleazy duplexes, and very scary people walking the streets at night. We had been surrounded in the fields that I used to walk my dog in..... I sold that house for a $30,000 loss, just to get out. That was 10 years ago.....now driving through that neighborhood....well, it's dangerous. Some people believe their home is their castle....others belieive it's easy pickings....

41 posted on 06/11/2012 7:02:50 PM PDT by ScreamingFist (Quiet the Idiot)
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To: publius911

Then you are batshit crazy.


42 posted on 06/11/2012 7:03:03 PM PDT by Last of the Mohicans
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To: ScreamingFist

I am familiar with that scenario of good neighborhoods being destroyed by riffraff, and people having to sell their homes at huge losses and move just to retain their feeling of security and sanity! Some peeps dont understand, but I can see how this man finally had enough.


43 posted on 06/11/2012 7:11:05 PM PDT by biggredd1
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To: Terry Mross
Yes.
There are no winners in this situation.
44 posted on 06/11/2012 7:12:55 PM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum)
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To: Eaker

I DID READ THE ARTICLE, and Spooner would have been justified shooting the kid IF THE BOY WAS IN HIS HOME AND IN THE PROCESS OF COMMITING THEFT. He didn’t do that. He was frustrated. That still does not equal murder.


45 posted on 06/11/2012 7:15:27 PM PDT by mardi59 (THE REBELLION IS ON!!!)
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To: biggredd1
...a person can only take so much, so sad.

There are a lot of people at the 'breaking point'...

46 posted on 06/11/2012 7:18:10 PM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: Last of the Mohicans; publius911
Then you are batshit crazy.

Frankly noob....I don't thing you have the balls, intellect nor moral capacity to take on publius911 in a debate. But if you do....good luck...;)

47 posted on 06/11/2012 7:20:32 PM PDT by ScreamingFist (Quiet the Idiot)
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To: marktwain

Ok - we want race to be taken out of the Trayvon/Zimmerman case (and rightly so) and make a decision of innocence or guilt to be based only on the facts (again, rightly so).

Take race out of this story - a man confronts an unarmed 13 year old kid (I am assuming unarmed as he made no defense with a weapon) and accuses him of theft.

The 13 yr. old says he didn’t do it, the man pulls a gun and shoots the 13 yr. old at point blank range in the chest, then fires again as the boy is attempting to flee.

The boy made no attack at the man, he did not pull a weapon, and as far as we know according to witnesses, he made no threat to the man.

Whether or not this kid actually stole anything is irrelevant to the fact that this man shot an unarmed human being. The mans frustration because of multiple thefts may be relevent to the punishment of the crime, but, as it stands, if this story is accurate and true - this is plain, bald-faced, cold-blooded murder in the first degree.

People who bring up race in this case are the same ones who complain about Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton for doing the same thing. Allow the process to work.


48 posted on 06/11/2012 7:24:58 PM PDT by rusty schucklefurd
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To: ScreamingFist

Got all three, and if you are here to tell me that a 13 year old kid deserved to die in this instance, then the same label applies to you. And, I’ve been part of this forum for well over ten years now.


49 posted on 06/11/2012 7:24:58 PM PDT by Last of the Mohicans
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To: Last of the Mohicans
Then you are batshit crazy.

Sez a naive new guy with a glorious screen name.

50 posted on 06/11/2012 7:26:54 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: mardi59

This post has nothing to do with my post.

Now go back and read my post re: your quote that I referenced.

This doesn’t need to be hard if you just try.


51 posted on 06/11/2012 7:31:13 PM PDT by Eaker (When somebody hands you your arse, don't give it back saying "This needs a little more tenderizing.")
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To: Last of the Mohicans
Got all three, and if you are here to tell me that a 13 year old kid deserved to die in this instance, then the same label applies to you

Well, humility is certainly not one of your virtues.....you're on....

52 posted on 06/11/2012 7:31:13 PM PDT by ScreamingFist (Quiet the Idiot)
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To: marktwain

P.S. Marktwain, I wasn’t saying that you were bringing race into the issue, I just replied to the first post after the article, and, after reading a number of posts following that did inject race into the story.

Sorry if it looked like I was accusing you of that because you certainly weren’t.


53 posted on 06/11/2012 7:35:23 PM PDT by rusty schucklefurd
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It’s a good idea to have a rider on your homeowners’ policy covering your guns from theft or fire-loss.


54 posted on 06/11/2012 7:35:54 PM PDT by tumblindice (Our new, happy lives.)
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To: marktwain

I’m sorry to see the people on this thread who are making comments such as “there’s only so much you can be expected to take.” It sounds like Spooner did indeed feel terribly frustrated, and might be dying of cancer so he also had a “who gives a rip?” mentality. HOWEVER, in this country, theft is not a capital offense. If theft ever does become a capital offense in this country, I’m not sure I’d want to live here. The punishment should fit the crime. Even if the 13-year-old was guilty, he didn’t deserve to die for it. If he was not, in fact, guilty, then coldblooded murder is all you can call this.


55 posted on 06/11/2012 7:36:45 PM PDT by Hetty_Fauxvert ( "Be Breitbart, baby!")
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To: yldstrk
what this man was wrong...terribly wrong...he deserves to be prosecuted....

but this is what happens when there is lawlessness....people take things into their own hands...

no justice, no peace....something like that....

property that you own is your lifes' work....when someone just takes it, its like taking your life away...

56 posted on 06/11/2012 7:37:06 PM PDT by cherry
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To: Last of the Mohicans
Got all three, and if you are here to tell me that a 13 year old kid deserved to die in this instance, then the same label applies to you. And, I’ve been part of this forum for well over ten years now.

BTW, you made the mistakes all first time trolls make. You're arrogant, you claim to have been on forum forever and you claim to have intellectual capacity far exceeding us dumb hicks on FR.... By all means, post away there's about 30,000 people watching...

57 posted on 06/11/2012 7:42:18 PM PDT by ScreamingFist (Quiet the Idiot)
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To: tumblindice
"It’s a good idea to have a rider on your homeowners’ policy covering your guns from theft or fire-loss."

its not about money and its not about insurance....there's things in my house that are of NO value that I would practically die if they were taken or broken....

a person's possessions means more to many people than just monetary value...

58 posted on 06/11/2012 7:46:14 PM PDT by cherry
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To: ScreamingFist

Why don’t you take up Publius’ banner if you are so set on defending him. Tell me how a kid of 13 deserves to die because some doddering old fool believes, with no evidence, that he took his guns, etc. Tell me in what CCW training you were told that this would be a righteous shoot. Tell me that, in the same circumstances, you would pull out a handgun and gun down a child in front of his mother. All I did was call a spade a spade. You’ve done nothing to defend the indefensible, which tells me that you are at least a little more reasonable than the original poster.


59 posted on 06/11/2012 7:50:51 PM PDT by Last of the Mohicans
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To: cherry

Yeah, I hear what you’re saying. I’ve also learned that when some one says, “It ain’t the money, it’s the principle of the thing” you can be damned sure it’s the money.


60 posted on 06/11/2012 7:51:42 PM PDT by tumblindice (Our new, happy lives.)
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