Posted on 06/07/2012 4:57:15 AM PDT by marktwain
The state legislature has subsequently acted to ADJUST THINGS. I think we have a couple of threads on it. Might go look for them and see what the outcome was.
They still didn't take down the judges who screwed up the decision.
That is the desired outcome, fear on the part of the populace, fear of the agents of the State.
Yes they knock with the battering ram. But hey the cops got to play with their toys, automatic weapons and laser sights. So although they didnt get to shoot a dog it turned out fairly well.
There you go again.
Reading my mind.
Excellent book.
If I'm an unarmed woman with an 8-year old son nearby, and 6 armed SWAT types coming in the door, YOU'RE DAMN STRAIGHT I obey it.
If she had a gun like Indiana Jones above wished, and shot one of them, then she has twelve bullet holes, the kid has no mother, and the state has no witnesses. Who's better off when THAT happens?
No warrant says it all. Two years later and they still have not produced a warrant.
ATF is the worst offender and violator of the constitution and should be disbanded.
Agreed. Then I pick the time and place for suitable retribution.
As I said before, this was not a search warrant, it was most likely an arrest warrant for the previous tenant. The new tenant will not get a copy of an arrest warrant for another person.
Different agency, same tactics. All approved by the courts with decades of precedent. Thanks to the Drug War.
You know this how?
Would it serve the attorney’s case to the public if he disclosed that it was not a search warrant but an arrest warrant?
No, it would not.
I have been on plenty of both search and arrest warrants with the feds. They have checklists for checklists regarding procedure for the warrants. If it had been a search warrant, she would have been left a copy of the return and the inventory. The servers would have at least four copies and they always have another agent or supervisor making sure the warrant was posted or presented properly.
Despite what you posted, you're not sure and are just guessing.
The whole article is a guessing game.
But I have enough experience with these cases to know how they go. Nothing new.
Tell that to Baby Faced Nelson ~ he kinda’ pioneered in being on the receiving end of these raids.
You can shoot them in CO too.
CO Constitution, Bill of Rights, Section 3. Inalienable rights.
All persons have certain natural, essential and inalienable rights, among which may be reckoned the right of enjoying and defending their lives and liberties; of acquiring, possessing and protecting property; and of seeking and obtaining their safety and happiness.
Can you give me a link to that article?
Alternatively/additionally, I believe the original decision -- which prompted the "citizens may shoot police engaged in illegal activities" law -- was, in itself, a felony; therefore, I should like to get the contact information for an IN Grand Jury. (Presentments are your friend.)
Court Ruling
http://frontpagemag.com/2011/05/18/the-indiana-supreme-court-guts-the-fourth-amendment/
New Law
I would ask why her eight year old son had locks on his door.
I suspect her son was a drug kingpin and being eight was just a slick cover.
Izzy,
I was speaking if you were an officer or agent and you know an order is illegal, immoral and unconstitutional, sorry if I wasn’t clear.
I am quite sure they would have shot her dead and more than likely walked without any down side other than any guilt they might carry with them.
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