Posted on 05/20/2012 7:18:07 AM PDT by Jeff Head
Another good reason for building diesel attack boats for that job, Jeff.
Given that the submersible is going to a) hamper the SSN in any other role (self-noise generated by turbulence around the attached submersible) and b) detach from the mothership like the Japanese Pearl Harbor midget-submarine flotilla, there's no point in tying up a full-sized, fully-fanged, super-stealthy fast-attack with the sneaky-pete mission. A Collins- or Yuushio-class boat (both have excellent endurance) would perform the mission just as well.
Deployment of numbers of diesel boats is feasible if a modest number of 25-kt, 2000- to 4000-ton submarine tenders were to be added to the OOB, to deploy with MEU's which would both screen, and be screened by, the diesel submarine flotilla. We probably still have hulls like that in the Mothball Fleet somewhere.
You also mentioned arming various small combatants with Harpoon, Standard, etc. Why would it not be preferable, when arming a ship with Harpoon, to install underwater torpedo tubes instead, and use the submarine-launched Harpoon, Exocet, Tomahawk, etc., variants? And reserve deckspace topsides for AAW systems? The new trimaran small-combatant design especially lends itself to this arrangement.
Oh, you mean those wacko-wingo Far Right Extremist candidates, like Ronald Reagan.
So unlike the sensible, down-to-earth candidates who have a good, strong grip on reality and what we can realistically expect from a Republican administration, and are willing to reach across the aisle and work with Democrats to help make their administration a smashing success.
Like Bob Dole, Gerry Ford, and John McCain. And Mitt Romney.
<Sarc left on for later .... still turned to "11" >
You know, you're right!
Let's all vote for Mitt Romney, so he can lay up the Navy and tell the Army to train with wooden guns.
You're hoping for a typical wooden-gun Republican of the kind that sent Warren Harding to Washington and signed the Treaty of London. We sank ships and court-martialed Billy Mitchell for telling the truth about those high-toned tax dodgers.
The men who died on Wake and Guam and the Arizona paid the price.
I hope tonight finds you feeling better, and tomorrow, better still.
Best wishes!
You make this tin-can sailor want to re-enlist!!!
Jeff Head...(i.e.: Santa Claus!!!)
You have a point, but what is the point of having a “secure” economy, without the means to “secure” it???
I know that they are using the new SSGNs to perform Littoral opertions right now...a 14,000 ton monster whose natural home is the deepest water available. But they built a huge SEAL capability into them. These DEs would be perfect for that at a lot less risk.
The SSGNs are GREAT because of their SLCM capability...but not, IMHO< a good idea for littorals.
I do indicate on those smaller vessels, inlcuding rhe LCS to install a MK-41 VLS> They are capable of it and both manufacturers have a mulit-mission version of the same craft with all of those capabilities. As they are, with the mission packs, they are, IMHO, severely underarmed when out on a miossion should they run into opposition that is not geared towards the pak they are carrying.
Yes...lots of nice systems and capabilities here...but, IMHO, all of it is needed to keep us out in front of the ROW.
And almost all of it is already available and been prototyped and rejected or canceled.
Why don’t YOU go play on the rail road tracks you JERK and leave decent people alone!
Rumsfeld killed Crusader. He said it was too heavy. Rumsfeld envisioned ans Army that was almost as light as the Marine Corps. He wanted to get rid of the heavy brigades. Rumsfeld was an idiot, and a majority of us on active duty at the time he left were very happy to see him go. Crusader was a hell of a gun. Alot of the technology from Crusader went into NLOS.
Bigun, decent people don’t tell folks to off themselves or call them names. Do they?
I’ve certainly done neither to Jeff, or you, ever.
Fact is, I agree with Mr. Head’s primary assessment, that we must have the biggest, baddest military force on the face of the planet, if we are to survive in the years ahead.
I’m betting you agree with that as well.
Where I part ways with him is in how you get it.
You don’t get it by offering political support to those with a track record of appeasement and weakness.
You don’t get it by supporting socialists who will inevitably destroy the economic foundations of a strong defense.
And you most certainly don’t get it by supporting politicians who destroy the moral foundations of the economy and the country.
That’s my opinion. This is a political discussion board. As long as our host allows me to post, I have just as much right to express it here as Jeff does to express his, or you do to express yours. If that brings me into contention with you, or with FR’s beloved Jeff Head, so be it. The subject matter is far more important than any of us individually.
I agree EV, it is more important than any of us. And I agree with your assessments on how not to get it. I just believe that you and others are misjudging and miscalculating what Romney will be like if we deliver a strong, Tea Party oriented House and Seante...which has been my contentnion all along.
I and you both know we will not get it with Obama...in fact he is going the other way as fast as he can. Romney has committed to making our military exactly what you describe and the Congress I mentioned will have him fulfill that commitment IMHO.
That’s our difference and I respect it and understand perfecty well why you feel that way given our choices. I just believe we can make a difference and hold Romney to the fire...he is not an ideolog.
Anyhow, as always, God’s speed to you. We’ve dialogued amiably too long and supported far too many issues together over the years for this to bring us to cross purposes. We can agree on getting after that House and Senate, which I believe we both feel is absolutely necessary.
If I am wrong about Romney and the path he takes if elected, I will be the first to admit it and work four-square against him. But right now, based on his stated goals and given the other choice...I will try and help him get elected.
Yes EV! only YOU have the answers according to YOU and it has always been so except that SOME of us REJECT that idea!
YOU are not now, and never have been, THE oracle of conservative truth.
What I say either stands up on its own or it doesn’t.
If you disagree with me on substance, tell me where, and we can hash it out.
The personal attacks aren’t worth another minute of my time, beyond what it took to type this sentence.
Fair enough.
We’ve been all through this several times before EV and nothing has changed. YOU still don’t get it and you never will!
I’m done with you.
Have a nice day.
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