Posted on 05/11/2012 5:17:13 AM PDT by IbJensen
My mistake. Included you in error.
We have “border guards?”
Only on the Northern border. Gotta stop those bloodthirsty Anglos. Here at the Southern border there is a Welcome mat.
See Post 25.
It was NOT the Border Patrol.
No welcome mat on the SW border by the Border Patrol.
The BP Agents risk a lot in the desert chasing dangerous animals crossing the border into the US. They don't run and they don't avoid engaging criminals and illegal aliens.
I've posted before that my son is a Border Patrol Agent, been injured taking down illegals and in a shoot. Nothing like getting a call from your son saying he's been injured (or in a shoot, for that matter). The stress from knowing Wash DC “leadership” doesn't have their back and kowtows to Mexico is enough to give you ulcers.
So, it is not right to unfairly malign the Border Patrol. They deserve our support not contempt.
I stand corrected. I live here where citizens are murdered daily by illegals. It’s the Federal overlords who are rolling out the welcome mat, and I should have made the distinction.
Not to make light of the incident, but perhaps this is what it was about? Could one o those controversial people have graduated to a whole new level? That's what happened to a friend of mine, who used to tour the world visiting house churches.
I respect your opinion. I can see how you would see me as whining. I mean I am telling you about being detained. Did you miss the part about taking my credit cards out of my wallet and photo copying them? Or maybe the part about copying my hard drive and phone? Maybe you missed the part about three hours, sitting while I watched as others were racially profiled. (I was the only Caucasian in that three hours who was detained)
TSA is a part of Department of Homeland Security, otherwise known as DHS, which is further the organization that runs the CBP, or Customs and Border Control.
While I pointed out specifically that I make the proper arrangements to accommodate the special treatment, and I understand the reasoning for it; violating my rights, as an American, is where you should have a problem. If you understand anything about history, this should draw strong parallels to Nazi Germany and their justification for detainment of almost 16 million people, of which nearly 80% of them were killed or put in concentration camps.
The field goal posts of acceptability are continually being moved and the result is daunting. We are losing our freedoms and we are subject to unconstitutional actions, regardless of the justification, there is no justification.
Until people like you stop using selective trust for our government, we will continue to lose more ground in our rights as Americans. Example: You cannot say, I trust the government at the border and not at the airport. They are the same organization and serve with the same (look it up) mandate and set of rules.
I am one of the founders of Conservative Daily (www.conservative-daily.com) (I hope free republic is okay with this plug as they did reprint our article. If not forgive me) and I made a decision to invest in a place where we can responsibly dialog and tell the story of what is happening in America. Like Free Republic (who I will be reaching out to) we stand for you, even if you do not see that standing is necessary.
Hulka,
It is you that is wrong. CBP is who works the Point of Entry. I could be wrong but the uniforms said Customs & Border Patrol, the hats said CBP. Maybe this was an attempt by them to confuse me or to give props to their friends over at the CBP. But that would be a conspiracy wouldn’t it friend?
there is a quote by Edmund Burke: “All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing”
The fact that you or anyone else would judge me or justify the behavior of these people just shows me that one, you are not a good man, or two, you have chosen as a good man (or woman) to do nothing. Which is it?
Anyone.
Who is Joe Otto and what is ‘Conservative Daily’ that he helped found?
No worries, sir.
Stay safe.
The rat-bastards who run this Federal government caused at least one BP agent to be murdered. I really need to stay focused on that. And thank you for your good wishes.
Please re-read my original post and you will see I NEVER justified the incident—I merely made an effort to ensure the right agency was the target of your post.
“CBP” hats = “Customs and Border PROTECTION,” not Border Patrol.
A search of the DHS website reveals an organizational chart. Download it (pdf). It clearly shows it is “Customs and Border PROTECTION (http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/dhs-orgchart.pdf).
On that org chart, bottom left, CBP is spelled out.
On this same org chart you will see a box labeled “Office of Field Operations.” This is organization within the blue uniformed Customs and Border Protection Officers (CBPO) reside.
Office of Field Operations: http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/about/organization/assist_comm_off/field_operations.xml;
“OFO is the largest component in CBP and is responsible for securing the U.S. border AT POINTS OF ENTRY while expediting lawful trade and travel.”
Please note the BLUE uniform of the OFO Acting Assistant Commissioner: http://206.241.31.129/ImageCache/cgov/content/about/organization/assistant_5fcommissioners_5foffices/hires/mcaleenan_5fhires_2ejpg/v1/mcaleenan_5fhires.jpg
Contrast CBP OFO with the Border Patrol, (http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/border_security/border_patrol/border_patrol_ohs/overview.xml): “The primary mission of the Border Patrol is to protect our Nation by reducing the likelihood that dangerous people and capabilities enter the United States BETWEEN THE POINTS OF ENTRY.”)
Please note the green uniform of the BP Acting Chief: http://206.241.31.142/ImageCache/cgov/content/about/organization/staff_5fhires_5fimages/hi_5fres/fisher_5fhires_2ejpg/v3/fisher_5fhires.jpg
As you can see, you were mistaken (mis-remembered?) if you feel it was Border Patrol. It surely wasn’t.
Regarding the hat you saw, Border Patrol Agents would rather cut off their head than wear a hat that had “CBP” or “CBPO” on it, as they are NOT “those guys.” They wear a Border Patrol hat. . .as per BP regulation.
So, just to make sure you don’t look foolish please refer to “Customs and Border Protection” and Customs and Border Protection Officers (CBPO) when you relate this incident.
The Boys in Green take enough crap for doing their job from the weenies in Wash DC. They don’t need to take crap for stuff they didn’t do.
I want to clarify. I love this site and I really liked your comments. I have a habit of adding a bit of humor, (my tragic flaw in trying to find the best of every situation) but after rereading it, it was dry backhanded humor.
I have read your posts and the posts of others. I agree with you. We are big supporters of Getting holder removed, and getting rid of the people in our government who disgrace our country every day.
Illegal immigration, is a huge issue but the “leaders” in washington do nothing of substance to find solutions. It takes groups that patrol the border to get them to act.
Yeah, they had blue uniforms, not green... I have a friend who is a BP agent, and much like my support for our soldiers, I will always support and sulute their service.
Thanks for the response.
JOe
Sorry I didn’t pick up on the humor.
I am dense that way.
Take care, Joe, and be careful out there.
Cheers.
Now I get it....... you are an open borders kind of guy... sorry, but security at the borders IS a function of the government. If your past is shady, if the people you associate with are shady (by your own admission, and out of curiosity, who were these people? Were they known terrorists?) people, then you will be detained. I have no problem with this, as this is a constitutional duty of our government.
Like I told my kids, guilt by association is a reality. If you go to shady places and hang with shady people, you will eventually find yourself in trouble.
You were not detained because of your conservative blog. You were detained because of the people you chose to associate with.
You caused your own problems. Get over it. And change the people and organizations you choose to associate with.
I side with the border patrol on this one.
Okay Joe Fonebone, I get it now. You say that I am shady. Did I say shady or did you just come to that intelligent conclusion yourself? I was detained because of the people that I associate with? You mean congressman? Peacemakers? How about NGO organizations helping those in need? Wow, shady people. I should obviously be ashamed of myself!!
You side with the border patrol because you do not know any better and you chose to believe what you cannot obviously see. I think they call people like you, Pharisees, right?
the problem with what you wrote is there is absolutely not one fact in it. Just a bunch of conjecture and judgement, without even an ounce of factual data. I call that the “cattle effect”. So.... Moooooooo.
The reason the government gets away with things, is because of people like you, who find it okay to justify their behavior regardless of the overall consequence to basic humanity. I call what happens to people like you late in life, a paradigm crash. If you ever get there.. it is scary. That is the day that you realize that the blinders you wore, however effective in making you sleep better at night, made most of what you did in your life, worthless.
Let me take a minute and tell you about you though Joe... Lets see how close I get. You are ego-centric, probably taught from a young age that only the strong survive. You probably are in middle management, but more than likely worked at the same job for many years, maybe even retired from one of the first jobs you had. You had the same job for most of your career and took the traditional track moving up. Always played it safe, and when conflict struck, you screamed and hoped it would be enough to intimidate others to walk away.
You are judgmental, because you want to hide in a place where you control what others see... a place like, the internet.
Joe, I am not going to tell you that I am a boy scout, but I am going to tell you that if I associate with shady people, you should be afraid, because they are the people YOU would call leaders. Most of them have kept you safe at night, served their country, and never complained.
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