Posted on 04/13/2012 7:05:10 PM PDT by doug from upland
I was for awhile, but I’ve been busy lately.
I know what you mean. The weather has been getting pretty nice here and the great outdoors is calling. Unfortunately it’s saying “you have a lot of work to do on this house.” But it’s still nice to get out there. lol
Well, perhaps, after Treyvon went south on Twin Trees and then east between the buildings on the pink route, perhaps he did turn south (right) and hide. When Z came through to the walkway between the buildings, Trayvon followed him to F, where he accosted and attached Zimmerman.
Alternatively, if George had done as he says and followed the maps direct route from C to E, then Treyvon jumping him on his way back to C, there’d be a lot of backpedaling and dancing away from Martin to get to F.
As far as I know, we have no direct word from George on exactly what path he took, only the second hand info from his family, that appears to me to be a bit confused, as you would expect from someone who doesn't even live in the area.
Of course, this is all pure speculation on our part until we get some hard testimony on exactly what George is claiming and any evidence shows.
haha! good luck with the house! keep up the good work here too!
What "facts" am I rigorously ignoring?
All of the ones you so frequently get called on.
George's father and brother, both are telling the same story George told Police. The route is what the wagist map is modeled after, and IS the direct word from George.
Martin ran from C towards E turned right and headed south towards F and D.
Alice in Wonderland using George's dad's interview to determine where George walked.
I question everything George’s father said. I wasn’t there and neither was he. (Alice in Wonderland post #186 to Aunt Polgara)
Alice in Wonderland denying the accuracy of George's dad's statements.
Which is it? I'm sorry, but you can't have it both ways, Alice. George may have been ill advised to follow Martin, but there was nothing illegal about it. I'm sure he's ruing the day that things turned out the way they did; but if Trayvon attacked him, he had a perfect right to defend himself. Remember, the state has to prove that he broke the law, and nothing that I have seen comes anywhere near that proof.
How do you know what George told police? I haven't seen the police report. Have you?
Correct, but if Zimmerman is the aggressor it doesn’t apply. The Murder 2 indictment points to Zimmerman being the aggressor, otherwise the indictment is junk and Zimmerman is exempt under the law because Trayvon Martin was the aggressor.
My point is that gun grabbers want to undo 2nd Amendment gains and so point to SYG laws as the problem. Capiche?
Not if Obama is un-elected this November.
We need to have the Department of Justice returned to an agency that seeks justice for all, not justice only for Holder's "people."
Alice lives in Wonderland. She always has it both ways. lol
Afraid to state the “FACTS”, eh?
Ah, so you're one of those rare FReepers who understands "right from wrong." /s
Has it ever occurred to you that "right vs left" is often congruent with "right vs wrong"?
And has it ever occurred to you that we ALL have the right to follow suspicious persons in our neighborhood?
And to call police to try to give them a location of the suspicious person?
Which is precisely what Zimmerman was doing.
God forbid we should ever get to the point in this country where we are not allowed to try to get a good look at a suspicious person, and call the police to give his location.
And btw, George Zimmerman's "story" checked out with the police during the initial investigation, i.e. when the police took him to the location of the incident and told him to "re-enact" the events.
Presumably this is the same "story" he told his dad, and that his dad related to the media.
What? You want me to recount all the facts in this story for you? Solely because you can’t read yourself and instead decide to propagandize and speculate? ROTFLOL
Was it ever ascertained if wee saintly Treyvon had any limits?
Ping!
The initial Police report is all that’s available to us peons, and they’ve tried to eliminate even that.
But let me ask you, do you think George, with his police training and experience dealing with them, would not take the time to circle the wagons and get the story straight to those he knew would be repeating it?
Neither do I.
When his father and brother repeat George’s account they specifically say “George said,.....”
That's a big "IF" ... which everyone assumes is "FACT". It's what George said and his family parroted. George also said Martin's last words were "Ya got me!" ... a line straight out of a B-grade movie.
And yes, I know George had a bloodied nose and cut to the back of his head. But that does not mean Trayvon threw the first punch. As far as I know, no one saw who started the fight, although witnesses saw it in progress.
According to the Affidavit of Probable Cause, Zimmerman disregarded the police dispatcher's instruction to stop following Martin. Instead, he continued to follow Martin, confronted Martin, and shot Martin after a struggle.
The affidavit also states that it is not a complete recitation of all the pertinent facts and evidence. It is merely a presentation for a determination for probable cause for second degree murder.
Actually, I was surprised with the murder charge since the lead homicide investigator had only recommended a manslaughter charge.
Exactly. There is no publicly available report of what George actually said beyond the statement given early on in police custody that he called for help and no one came to his aid. Nowhere has it been released exactly what George himself has said to the police.
But let me ask you, do you think George, with his police training and experience dealing with them, would not take the time to circle the wagons and get the story straight to those he knew would be repeating it? Neither do I.
You are joking, right? In his initial call to the police, he couldn't even get the address of the clubhouse correct or how to direct the police to where he first saw Trayvon.
When his father and brother repeat George’s account they specifically say “George said,.....”
Actually, what I heard was his father saying something like, "it's my understanding ..." over and over" and over and over saying he didn't discuss certain things with George. Their statements are nothing but hearsay and inadmissible in court.
This is all about exactly which way the two of the walked through the neighborhood, and I presume that it will all come out either at the self-defense hearing or in a trial.
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