Posted on 03/21/2012 9:03:30 PM PDT by true believer forever
February 22nd in Arizona. However, they had the Huckabee forum in March and the forum that Santorum and Newt participated in Alabama. Don’t you think enough is enough. Everyone knows what Newt is for and just are not interested in him for whatever reason. There are a small group of supporters of his on here but you need a heck of a lot more than that. This entire primary is a disaster not because of Newt or anyone really. It is the way that the GOP set it up after the 2008 primary. If you think we are going to the convention, I doubt it. I think Paul is going to give his delegates to Romney and put him over the magic 1140 number. HORRIBLE!!!!
There was supposed to be a debate 3/19
Mitt and Saint ducked it, they’ve ducked all but one debated since SC If I remember correctly.
What Televised Huckabee forum?
What Televised Alabama forum?
Kinda reminds me of the other two also.
And certainly the one on the other side.
Pretty much a given that whoever gets elected, it will be because they are the more believable liar..
Mitt and Saint ducked it, they’ve ducked all but one debated since SC If I remember correctly.
You are so wrong. Remember the disasterous debate that Newt had in Florida which helped him lose the state. They had two in Florida. The second one was a bit better. Below is the debates after SC.
January 16, 2012 Watch Entire Video (1 hr 40 min)
Location: Myrtle Beach Convention Center in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina
Sponsor: Fox News, The Wall Street Journal and the South Carolina Republican Party
Participants: Romney, Perry, Gingrich, Santorum, Paul
January 19, 2012 Watch Entire Video (1 hr 50 min)
Location: Charleston, SC
Sponsor: CNN and the Southern Republican Leadership Conference
Participants: Romney, Gingrich, Santorum, Paul
January 23, 2012 Watch Entire Video (97 minutes)
Location: University of South Florida in Tampa, Florida
Sponsor: The Tampa Bay Times, NBC News, the National Journal and the Florida Council of 100
Participants: Romney, Gingrich, Santorum, Paul
January 26, 2012 Watch Entire Video (1 hr 50 min)
Location: University of North Florida in Jacksonville, FL
Sponsor: CNN, CNN en Español, The Hispanic Leadership Network and The Republican Party of Florida
Participants: Romney, Gingrich, Santorum, Paul
February 22, 2012 Watch Entire Video
Location: Mesa Arts Center in Mesa, Arizona
Sponsor: CNN and the Republican Party of Arizona
Participants: Romney, Santorum, Paul, Gingrich
March 3, 2012 Huckabee Forum 3: Jobs
Watch Entire Video (80 minutes)
Location: Wilmington Air Park in Wilmington, Ohio
Sponsor: Former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee and Fox News
Participants: Romney, Gingrich, Santorum
Somehow I’m thinking Rick *isn’t* from Kenya.
It’s the moral arrogance that facilitated the departure from the debates. The primary process was dumbed down into a fist-pumping rant of indignation.
I count 4 after SC
I think maybe 2 were televised
20 my arse.
Even though I have seen many threads from The Examiner, and not one comment like yours, here is the post in full... I am sure you will want to openmindedly read and consider its contents :)
EXAMINER POST:
Most of us do not yet know who Santorum really is and yet he is the leading conservative candidate in this primary.
How can that be? Precisely for the very reason stated above. We don’t know who he is, we haven’t examined his record thoroughly, we blindly believe in faith the statements he as a Christian family man uses to make a quick point, and he is the last one standing to experience the negative carpet bombing from Mitt Romney. Not to worry, though, as he assures us,
“Ha! You look at my record. I’ve been as much of a reformer, and someone who has been able to shake things up both from the inside and the outside better than anybody else.”
Source:
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-01-26/santorum-lobbyist-meetings-part-of-insider-history-he-rejects.htmlalk about grandiose.
The media is smearing Gingrich right and left while going relatively light on Santorum.
1. For example, because of the media, many buy into the idea that Gingrich was for the TARP bailout and Santorum was not. Let’s look at that idea.
On Hannity and Colmes, Gingrich said in regard to TARP:
“I think this is an appallingly bad plan. I think it will be an engine of corruption....I believe this is about as bad as anything I’ve seen in economic policy.....Socialism at its worst.”
Alan Colmes tells him his words are some of the most strident comments he’s heard against this plan and then asks what should be done. Newt amazes with his clear understanding of the problem and with his ability to give forth a solution.
Hannity and Colmes http://youtu.be/jJblJfgXBgw
2. As another example, in one of the GOP debates, Santorum joined the band wagon to say that Gingrich, whom he admitted just a few days before to be his mentor, was thrown out of Congress and that he was disastrous as a Speaker.
Somehow he skips over the fact that Congress with Gingrich enjoyed an unmatched 60% approval rating (unmatched unless you count after 9/11). Santorum hopes with expectation we won’t remember that Gingrich actually passed The Personal Responsibility Act (welfare reform), most of his Contract with America, and balanced the budget four times in a row.
http://www.house.gov/house/Contract/CONTRACT.html
Furthermore, Rick Santorum had the audacity to claim he wrote the welfare reform.
“I wrote the welfare reform bill in the Contract with America. I was the ranking member on that subcommittee. And when I came to the Senate, through a quirk, I ended up managing the bill on the floor of the United States Senate and working with President Clinton and getting a bill signed after he vetoed it twice to end welfare. We bloc-granted the program, got rid of the federal entitlement — the only one in the history of the country that’s ever been done. And I was the principal author of it in the United States Senate, managed the bill on the floor.”
Remarks from January NH debate:
http://fosterfriess.com/campfire-blog/2012/01/17/an-honest-man-in-politics/
His statement is easily refuted by the facts:
“The Personal Responsibility Act had many contributing authors, but none of them were then Representative Rick Santorum. Rep. Clay Shaw, FL is widely credited with spearheading the authorship of the bill with help from the Conservative Heritage Foundation and others.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._Clay_Shaw,_Jr.
After being vetoed twice by President Clinton the bill that ultimately became law was the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Act. The bill, H.R. 3734, was introduced by Rep. John Kasich in the House. The companion bill, S. 1956, was introduced by then Budget Committee Chairman Sen. Pete Domenici.” Justin Gray, Feb. 28
H.R. 3734 http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d104:H.R.3734
S. 1956 http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d104:SN01956:@@@R
http://www.justin.fm/2012/02/rick-santorum-is-severely-dishonest.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_Responsibility_and_Work_Opportunity_Act#cite_note-time1994-0
http://www.justin.fm/2012/02/rick-santorum-is-severely-dishonest.html
Welfare reform was one of the proposals within the Newt’s 1994 Contract With America, which was mostly written by Gingrich before the election in November of 1994, before Santorum took office. It was Gingrich who put Santorum on the committee to help draft the legislation but then he had to give him direction when the conservative faction saw Santorum getting confused and actually trying to expand welfare.
“But to the surprise of Santorum and his allies, their own proposal soon became an object of ridicule in one faction of the Republican Party. Led by Representative James Talent of Missouri, this faction argued that a $20 billion work program was not the end of welfare but the extension of it; the real goal in their view was not to put single mothers to work but to discourage them from becoming single mothers in the first place.” Source:
http://www.nytimes.com/1994/04/22/us/abolishment-of-welfare-an-idea-becomes-a-cause.html
3. His loss in 2006 is explained away by him as a bad year for Republicans; but if one digs a little deeper, we’ll find his particular loss had something to do with too much spending. He said he was a conservative but he showed himself to the voters as otherwise. See video, Statist Santorum:
4. Santorum claims to be “tea party before there was a Tea Party.” That has yet to be objectively verified especially when you consider he supported RINO Trey Grayson over Rand Paul.
In the case of Gingrich, it is easy to verify. Before it was cool, he attended the very first Tea Party and asked people to join in 2009.
http://www.conservativeteapartycaliforniastyle.com/2009/04/tax-day-tea-party-april-152009-500.html
Video http://youtu.be/1vKr95e5aIE
See also Gingrich endorsed by tea party nation founder
http://dailycaller.com/2011/09/27/gingrich-endorsed-by-tea-party-nation-founder/
K Street project
The K Street Project, launched in 1995 by Grover Norquist and Tom DeLay, was a plan for lobbying firms in DC to hire Republicans for plum positions. Those firms would then have special access to officials which could conceivably lead to having the ability to influence any regulations which affected them.
Santorum denies (http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-01-26/santorum-lobbyist-meetings-part-of-insider-history-he-rejects.html ) that there even was such a project, “We don’t have a K Street Project,” but previously in November 2005 he said,
“The K Street Project is purely to make sure we have qualified applicants for positions that are in town. From my perspective, it’s a good government thing.”
Source
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-01-26/santorum-lobbyist-meetings-part-of-insider-history-he-rejects.html
Also see “A Peek Inside Santorum’s K-Street Past”
http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Articles/2012/01/15/A-Peek-Inside-Santorums-K-Street-Past.aspx#page1
He claimed in 2006:
“I had absolutely nothing to do — never met, never talked, never coordinated, never did anything — with Grover Norquist and the, quote, K Street Project.” Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
http://old.post-gazette.com/pg/06026/644541.stm
A fact check, however, shows otherwise:
http://crooksandliars.com/2006/01/27/santorum-and-norquist-video-thank-you-grover
The following may also be of interest:
Major pro-life donor hits Santorum over The One Campaign/Global Fund connections.... the Clapham Group (Planned Parenthood affiliated group) provided $125,000 out of $900,000 he earned during the year before he filed to run for President. He refused to abandon support for it.
Rick Santorum on Iran
Santorum claimed he never voted for a steel industry bailout
http://www.pjvoice.com/v16/16105santorum.html
Chuck Norris: Why I chose Newt over Santorum
http://www.afa.net/Blogs/BlogPost.aspx?id=2147517283
The Real Dirt on Slick Rick Santorum
http://www.nolanchart.com/article9242-the-real-dirt-on-slick-rick-santorum.html
Indeed.
They competed in over 20 total throughout the primary season. Everyone knows that but you for some reason. Heck you didn’t even know about the 2 forums so either you don’t even watch the debates and forums, you have zero memory, or you just don’t pay attention. I am not sure which it is.
YOU SAID 20 debates after SC and called me a drunk!
Good night!
Are you drunk? They participated in over 20 debates from SC on. I don’t know what the heck you are talking about. Newt got his chance to convince voters and failed miserably. 22 Debates and Newt still can’t get a vote.....that sounds like his problem not anyone else’s.
I'm probably dense, but I don't get it... I am sure it was something nice about Newt though :)
Didn’t rick skip Florida? He went home to do his taxes and we never saw.
I believe you’re right
He has been a regular weasel, just like Myth.
I’m thinking The Duke is in the anyone but barry camp.
I am reading through some of the articles.
He seems to have the wrong idea about freedom of one’s own personal life and rights of their own control. People are voting emotionally to the image of a good guy so, they won't even consider his record. He is certainly a government protector not on the side of less government. I always understood why the media built him up like a top tier candidate/so, the person with real ideas could never be able to go one on one with ideas to Romney. Romney has been protected. Rick supporters can't seem to realize Rick was that fire wall. Sad tragedy..what amazes me is that there are plenty of influential people who do know the truth about Speaker Gingrich and sit by quietly as we are forced to have Romney as the one who takes on a radical regime. The cheerleaders can yell for a few more weeks for Santorum, he will never be the nominee, in the end. I can't see how conservatives can vote for him on his idea of government control -to make laws that reach in one's private life/the bedroom is a pretty bad idea right there.
Yes, and in flyer form. I have heard from two different people today that Newt is 18 behind in La, and grassroots has started doing what many did in SC, just leaving stuff on porches, public places, churches, especially.
If you know any in La, please send them this, and the following article is also good,another politijim, full of stuff I have never seen before, and I really keep close tabs on Tricky Ricky: :)
http://www.politijim.com/2012/03/how-general-election-voters-will-read.html
HE was told he wasn’t needed in Florida, Mitt had all his advertising done to slam Newt 24/7. So he went home to do his taxes and we never saw those taxes. He then went on campaiging in Minn or MI. GOP E weasls indeed.
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