Posted on 03/15/2012 8:33:43 PM PDT by God'sgrrl
Look friend. You MUST make the same clear legal disinction begween citizenship and military service. I have not maligned Aldo’s military service. I have not commented on it because it is irrelevant.
If Rick Santorum was born before he had two parents who were citizens of the United States, the Rick Santorum is no morea Natural Born Citizen than Barack Obama or Marko Rubio.
Thats it. The law is the law. It applies to everyone without exception.
You are tilting at a windmill. Aldo’ service is admirable. But it doesnt change the facts or the law. Aldo’s service does NOT give his son Natural Born Citizenship. I challenge you to find the law that does. Tip: there is none.
Aldo's service is a very strong indication that he was a citizen, as I have documented. Plus, he went through what was required to become a citizen as far as military service. So the entire notion of a natural born citizen requirement - to avoid divided loyalties, like we see in Obama - is not the case. Do you seriously think that you can promote a divided loyalty argument against an honorably-discharged WWII veteran and not get laughed out of the room?
Try sticking to real issues. Aldo Santorum is not one. Keep it up and you will just bring ridicule to yourself and the birther movement. I know I no longer have any sympathies towards the movement now, after your stunt with Aldo Santorum. And I imagine many other conservatives feel the same way. You are basically pretending that it doesn't matter that Aldo Santorum served in WWII - you will stomp your foot and, like a petulant child, demand that Rick Santorum demonstrate what is obvious, just to satisfy an out-of-control agenda. And that is just stupid.
And I am saying you are utterly full of it because Aldo Santorum's military service is highly relevant. It means a citizenship fast track was available to him and it also indicates he was a loyal American military veteran with no divided loyalties.
Stick to showing the problems with Obama. We already know he has divided loyalties. The Santorums are red-blooded Americans. You are trivializing the birther movement by trying to make an issue here.
No, dirtboy. Aldo’s Military service is completely irrelevant. The ONLY relevant point, question if you will, is was he a CITIZEN when his son was born. If he was NOT a citizen, and I don’t care if he was a 3 star general, if he was NOT a US Citizen, then his son is NOT a Natural Born Citizen.
I will stick to the Constitution, and I honestly don;t care if you like it or not.
If YOU are a REAL American you will DEMAND the constitution be followed.
If you think that you can make exceptions just because you feel like it, or to fit your personal PREFERENCE for POTUS, that makes you NO BETTER THAN OBAMA. You can take a long walk off a short pier as far as I am concerned. That attitude makes you UN-AMERICAN in my book.
NO MORE UNCONSTITUTIONAL CANDIDATES. EVER. Over my dead body kind of never. I am not the sort of hypocrite, yeah you heard it, hypocrite to demand it of one political party without demanding it of my own as well.
Aldo’s service is admirable and I am grateful. He is now a red blooded American Citizen. He was NOT when his son was born, and Natural Born Citizenship is ONLY ever bestowed at the instant of Birth - you can’t retroactive it, you can’t make special exceptions for it. Rick Santorum is Italian as well as American BY BIRTH, and therefor not qualified for POTUS.
ALDO’S military service, in and of itself does NOT make his son a Natural Born Citizen. If Aldo was a citizen when Rick was born, great! I can support him. If NOT, then I will campaign AGAINST Rick Santorum as hard as I will against Obama. Neither deserves to be running for an office they do not qualify for.
Don’t bother trying to change my mind. I have stated dozens of times, long before Rick’s name was ever mentioned, that I will NEVER support a person for POTUS who is NOT a Natural Born Citizen. There is no way in hell you will EVER make me do that, and I don’t care how many stupid childish insults you throw at me. I have principles, and I actually hold to them with Honor.
Congratulations on finishing your descent into total irrelevance.
I think I just said the same thing to you.
If Rick Santorum cannot prove his dad was a Citizen, then Rick needs to get out of the race ASAP.
Rich has NO RIGHT to be running if he isn’t a Natural Born Citizen.
Yeah, make a stink about the citizenship of a WWII vet. That is really going to sway people to your point of view.
Not.
If Santorum’s dad had gotten his naturalization papers one day or one hour before Rick was born, would that make any difference?
Failing that, will they publicy state that they don't care if it does or not?
Or will the try to have it both ways - claiming to be concerned about the uncontitutional expansion of federal power, while promising to use it to garner support among different interest groups whenever it's convenient?
I consider Jedediah Bila to be smokin’ hot. She fills the Red Eye leg chair well.
The entire point of the NBC requirement is to prevent a president with the kind of divided loyalties we see with Obama.
Aldo Santorum showed where his loyalties were by serving in the US military in WWII.
If the birthers think they are pursuing some kind of intellectual consistency by stomping their feet and demanding naturalization papers for a WW II vet, it's just going to blow up in their faces. And the Obama-ites will use it against them, saying they are so nutty that they don't think a WW II vet is a citizen, so why should they be listened to about Obama?
But, then again, the birther movement has gone down some serious rabbit holes following the likes of Orly Taitz and Joe Farah.
Yes, I am going to demand to know Rick Santorum’s citizenship Status.
It is Rick’s BURDEN OF PROOF. He must prove it to us. Sorry you want to give him a pass on the law and the constitution.
I am glad I know now that you aren’t a citizen loyal to the Constitution, the very same document which gave you your freedoms. Thats a sad sad sad thing.
Too bad you are so bloody biased you are willing to break the law and condone a PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE TO BREAK THE LAW. You are a sad American, man. No better than those fools who supported Obama even when they knew he wasn’t a Natural Born Citizen. That says more about you than it does me.
http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html
Natural-born citizen
Who is a natural-born citizen? Who, in other words, is a citizen at birth, such that that person can be a President someday?
The 14th Amendment defines citizenship this way: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." But even this does not get specific enough. As usual, the Constitution provides the framework for the law, but it is the law that fills in the gaps. The Constitution authorizes the Congress to do create clarifying legislation in Section 5 of the 14th Amendment; the Constitution, in Article 1, Section 8, Clause 4, also allows the Congress to create law regarding naturalization, which includes citizenship.
Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in the gaps left by the Constitution. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"
•Anyone born inside the United States
•Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
•*Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
•*Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national*
•Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
•Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
•Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
•A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.
* There is an exception in the law — the person must be "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States. This would exempt the child of a diplomat, for example, from this provision.
Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President. These provisions allow the children of military families to be considered natural-born, for example.
*On this the “birthers” may have a point about Obama if it can be proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that he was not born in Hawaii. So far all I see is conspiracy theories and speculation.
You are a sanctimonious a-hole.
You might want to read the Constitution and Title 8 of the U.S. Code one of these days as it clearly says that Rick Santorum is a natural born citizen – he was born in the US – case closed.
The question about Obama’s status as a “natural born” citizen revolves over whether he was born in the US, Hawaii and not in Kenya as has been alleged. If he was indeed born in Keyna and did not meet the requirement for US citizenship of those born outside of the US such as: 1) anyone born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S. or 2) anyone born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national.
Obama’s mother was a US citizen and had lived in the US, his father however was not. If Barry was born in Keyna he’d not be eligible for POTUS, if however he was born in Hawaii, he would be regardless of his father’s citizenship status.
The Constitution says what it says, nothing more and nothing less. It’s sad sad, sad thing that you don’t get that.
Wow, you are scaring me.
Are you a Romney supporter or are you just trashing Santorun for the fun of it?
Who do you back?
My candidate was Herman Cain. I do NOT like Romney. That leaves Newt. I am not particularly enthusiastic about him either for several reasons. Not the least of which is the current delegate count.
Look Jean, I have been all over Obama about Natural Born Citizenship. How can I be a total hypocrite, and give Santorum a pass on it if he cannot prove he is a Natural Born Citizen and keep an OUNCE of credibility? I could not quite simply. I would be a hypocrite if I did that.
If it isn’t ok for Obama, then it isn’t ok for Santorum or anyone else.
Principles apply BEFORE politics, if one is an honest broker of truth and principles.
Obama isn’t a Natural Born Citizen because his father wasn’t when he was born. Because Santorum has not put out anything proving his dad was a citizen, he has not proven he was born to two parents who were citizens at the time of his birth. In that sense, he is just like Obama. Do I like that. No, not even remotely.
That being said, Obama, because he is not an NBC broke the constitution when he took an oath to it, he had no right to take the oath, and he isn’t bound by that oath. He isn’t bound by the constitution. Why do you think he can do what ever unconstitutional thing he feels like? Fighting a war in Libya, Leon Pannetta telling the world we will decide this that and the other thing according to the rest of the world and to hell with congress? Because they are NOT bound by the Constitution and they know it.
I REFUSE to support ANY candidate who cannot meet the Constitutional requirements for qualification for the office. If Santorum provides evidence his father was a citizen, then GREAT! Do it! Now! Kick this to the curb! If he can’t then he needs to get out now. He would do more harm than good by CONTINUING the denigration of the Constitution that Obama started.
That’s not nice, its not fair, but this isn’t about fair or nice, it is about doing the right thing for the country. Putting an unconstitutional candidate of our own would only make us LESS safe, and further the destruction of the Constitution. I will have no part of it. Not even by keeping my mouth shut and just letting it happen. No. That would be immoral, and dishonorable. I won’t do it.
WRONG. Title 8 says if you were born here, you are a CITIZEN. Not a Natural Born Citizen, and if you are quoting it, then you should know better.
Minor v Happersett decided the meaning of Natural Born Citizen in 1875:
“”The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.” Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162, 168.”
This unanimous SCOTUS decision has never been overturned, and has been cited to dozens of times over the 138 years since it was handed down.
Title 8 cannot confer Natural Born Citizenship, nor can Congress. Congress has control of Naturalization laws, but cannot affect Natural Born Citizenship, because it is a condition of birth. This child was born in country to two parents who are it’s citizens. This child can have no other possible citizenship.
Its called Jus Soli (Right of soil) AND Jus Sanguinus (Right of Blood)and BOTH are necessary for Natural Born Citizenship.
Anyone who has done any scholarship on this issue, and I have, knows this. I have been publishing on this for some time now.
Maybe so, but I am a correct sanctimonious a-hole.
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