Posted on 03/04/2012 6:38:52 AM PST by marktwain
>3. In or on property that is being used by a school for a school function
How would that interact with home-schoolers?
>So the criminals have the best chance at shooting as many students and teaching faculty as possible before the cops can make it there. Why else?
You forgot to add “, surround the building, and wait until the perp offs himself before entering the premises” between “there” and the period.
It’s a common typo, I know. ;)
Oops! I keep forgetting that tiny detail!
According to the MI Constitution:
Article I, Sec. 6.
Every person has a right to keep and bear arms for the defense of himself and the state.
Article 1, Sec. 2.
No person shall be denied the equal protection of the laws; nor shall any person be denied the enjoyment of his civil or political rights or be discriminated against in the exercise thereof because of religion, race, color or national origin. The legislature shall implement this section by appropriate legislation.
So yes; according to their own State Constitution anyone who is a person has that right. Furthermore, the law cannot be "selectively applied."
And it wasn’t the school’s decision; that’s why they called the police.
It most assuredly was the school's decision.
Stubborn or Anti-authoritarian?
I'm actually diametrically opposed to your viewpoint; mostly from personal experience. In New Mexico we have a statute, NMSA 30-7-2.4 which, by its own definitions, makes it 'illegal' for a student to keep/own a firearm in on-campus housing. However, the state Constitution clearly prohibits such a law:
Article II, Sec. 6. [Right to bear arms.] No law shall abridge the right of the citizen to keep and bear arms for security and defense, for lawful hunting and recreational use and for other lawful purposes, but nothing herein shall be held to permit the carrying of concealed weapons. No municipality or county shall regulate, in any way, an incident of the right to keep and bear arms.For two or so semesters I inquired into the conflict and ALWAYS got a deflection: the AG said that he couldn't say anything regarding how laws are read and told me to talk to the State Representative, the Representative said to talk to the State Supreme Court, the State Supreme Court never answered the phone and there was no answering-machine only a recording to call the State Bar, the State Bar said "hire an attorney," I talked with the only civil-rights attorney they had listed and was promptly forgotten about.
And don't get me started on how the cities and counties blatantly violate the second sentence of Art II, Sec 6.
“We want to respect the first amendment, but if we want anyplace to be under rigorous control of what is published, or restrict what religions may be practiced, by Congress it’s a school.”
Fixed.
You’re quite right in all that. My main point was just for the guy to exercise a little common sense and don’t wear the gun into a school for the short time it takes to vote in a primary. In other words, for a few minutes.
But I understand that fanatics will argue to the death otherwise. However, your fanaticism doesn’t make you right in all cases. Fanatics at their extreme are usually just that - extremists.
Lone extremists are noisy but little else. Extremists with power yield your Hitlers, Stalins, Jim Jones, Obamas, etc.
“I would think it is directed to government schools since the government doesn’t dictate rules on home ground.”
Hahaha, except when it comes to instances where the city can make more tax revenue by taking your home and giving it to someone else.....or light bulbs and toilets and refrigerators and furnaces and AC units and the length of your grass and on and on and on and on...
(I know as a FReeper you knew this, but I just couldn’t resist.)
You sound like a good republican...in today’s DC.
Citizens with no criminal record should be able, at will, to carry, concealed or open, any firearm they please, hand gun or long gun, anywhere they please without let or hindrance by government authorities.
The real issue, is the Michigan senate and house should get off their rear ends and pass SB0058 and HB 4009, then the firearms could be concealed and everybody would be happy.
As for suing, according to the Michigan State Police in their legal update to Law enforcement officers in Michigan, his forth amendment rights were violated.
(see http://www.michigan.gov/documents/msp/MSP_Legal_Update_No._86_2_336854_7.pdf) (last two paragraphs) he was detained without probable cause that a crime was committed or being committed, merely on the possibility that.....
Following that logic, I would then have the same interaction with the police for walking my dog on school property, Would I not?
My dogs are required to be licensed as well....
Can’t be too careful!
In order to legally carry in the school, the guy needed to have a concealed weapons permit. So the school detained him long enough to determine that. And then they called the police as per the school’s rules.
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