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CALIFORNIA: Democrats set to boost state Senate clout
Sacramento Bee ^ | 2/21/12 | Dan Walters

Posted on 02/21/2012 8:06:53 AM PST by SmithL

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To: Rich21IE

The ideal would be to split california up.

The problem is the constitution prohibits states being made by dividing states.

Is there an INTERNAL movement to split california? ie east and west?


21 posted on 02/21/2012 8:42:24 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: SmithL

They are all Detroit’ers now.


22 posted on 02/21/2012 8:44:47 AM PST by VRWC For Truth (Throw the bums out who vote yes on the bailout)
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To: longtermmemmory
The problem is the constitution prohibits states being made by dividing states.

They can be split, but only with the consent of the state and Congress.

23 posted on 02/21/2012 8:45:18 AM PST by Paleo Conservative
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To: longtermmemmory
The constitution has been put aside with this administration anything they say goes without challenge. Banana republic.
24 posted on 02/21/2012 8:48:13 AM PST by THE_RAIDER (Somewhere in Kenya a village is missing their idiot.)
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To: Paleo Conservative

ok, but are there any in california that want to split the state?

I find it hard to believe there are not two egomaniacs who want to be the first governors of East California and/or North California.

At that point we could also break up the 9th Circuit court.


25 posted on 02/21/2012 9:03:50 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Logical me

I see no reason to insult Greece (or any nation state etc) by calling it “California.”


26 posted on 02/21/2012 9:15:04 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: SmithL

It’s okay: Californians LOVE high taxes.


27 posted on 02/21/2012 9:25:49 AM PST by Tzimisce (Never forget that the American Revolution began when the British tried to disarm the colonists.)
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To: Logical me

It’s time to build a fence between California and America.


28 posted on 02/21/2012 9:30:04 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: C210N

You represent that remark?
Or you resent that remark.

Not that I care; from where I sit in my little piece of “fly over country” I can assure you we don’t need anything from MA, least of all your presidential candidates or your commie health care plan.


29 posted on 02/21/2012 9:30:25 AM PST by Rich21IE
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To: SmithL; All

The die was cast for a Democratic supermajority in the Senate when the state’s new independent redistricting commission redrew its 40 districts.


What happened to the challenges by “groups” to this redistricting???

Ohhh, snap...I forgot...VRA only empowers liberal/progressive groups to challenge voting trends in a state by Federal DOJ enablers...

And, this is California...Not Texas...Muh bad...I bet California gets off a primary this election cycle...I wish Texas had gotten its act together...Its all still up in the air...

Ohhhh, snap...They really don’t have to for this one...

I have to ask...Does anyone in California even raise an eyebrow anymore when the state government actually spends more money than you have in the coffers???

I mean, I was stationed out there in the 80’s and remember when the State lottery had its first weekly game...And I remember hearing years later that in the first two years of operation that the lottery, which was to specifically back up state education was going to be able to fully fund ALL state education activities, (i.e.: new schools, maintenance and expansion of existing facilities, teacher hiring, raises, pensions, the whole smack) for the next ten full years, and that no referendums or other spending or bond issuances would need to be put forth in that timeframe...

I’m only going from memory, and it may be flawed, but from what I recall, I was fairly impressed with the system...

But now, as good as it may have been, doesn’t seem like a lot of conservative fight is left in that state...

But that’s just what I see...And that bit about the lottery, well, I wasn’t one to dabble in the California thing, just like in the Texas lottery...I did buy one scratch off in Texas when it first came out, I lost and said thats it...I can say I played only once...Not sure if my participation would have bought a single kid a banana for lunch...

I guess I am a really bad person...


30 posted on 02/21/2012 9:35:46 AM PST by stevie_d_64 (I'm jus' sayin')
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To: Redleg Duke

For a second I almost thought you meant California...Then I still kinda laughed when you said Canada...

Then I cried...

I don’t think there’s enough of us left to defend ourselves...

Truely sad times we live in these days...


31 posted on 02/21/2012 9:40:09 AM PST by stevie_d_64 (I'm jus' sayin')
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To: Huskrrrr
I believe normal, working taxPAYERS ("Republicans") will continue to flee California at an accelerated pace.
Nobody wants to be "the last white farmer in Zimbabwe".
32 posted on 02/21/2012 9:40:33 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: longtermmemmory

I’ve read about a movement proposing a north/south split, but it will never go anywhere. I keep hoping the Mexicans will take it. In ten years, I don’t the remnant of the U.S. will be able to stop them. Then again, the U.S. may have an “off the shelf” plan to invade Mexico to manage the collapse and take the country back from the drug lords. Which would leave us with California back in the fold.

Lousy situation really.


33 posted on 02/21/2012 9:40:59 AM PST by Rich21IE
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To: Huskrrrr
With a 2/3rds majority in the State Senate they are getting it done with the voters, not around them.

While it's obviously not good for business, I'm not even really sure that it's anti-business anymore. A Democrat who considers himself pro-business (and those people exist) could easily regard the taxes as a choice that the public and business have made.

It's not like any of this has caught anyone by surprise -- if you're doing business in California in 2012 this is part of the equation. The businesses who can replace their customers or employees in Las Vegas or Dallas have gone there -- those who can't do it remain their by choice, even if it's a proxy choice of the customers or employees they need. The great mystery is why the customers or employees are willing to pay the taxes for the generally low quality of services they receive.
34 posted on 02/21/2012 10:12:02 AM PST by only1percent
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To: only1percent

Good points. I’ve noticed paying more taxes and getting less, too. In the midwest the roads were fixed, all the power cables are underground and the schools are first rate. I realize we’re comparing apples and oranges, the demographics being quite different.


35 posted on 02/21/2012 10:33:46 AM PST by Huskrrrr
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To: only1percent

Good points. I’ve noticed paying more taxes and getting less, too. In the midwest the roads were fixed, all the power cables are underground and the schools are first rate. I realize we’re comparing apples and oranges, the demographics being quite different.


36 posted on 02/21/2012 10:34:04 AM PST by Huskrrrr
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To: Rich21IE

represent

and i do care... big difference between represent and resent


37 posted on 02/21/2012 10:39:22 AM PST by C210N
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To: SmithL

We paid $14,000 in State income and property taxes this year alone, never mind the sales tax.


38 posted on 02/21/2012 11:09:42 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The RNC would prefer Obama to a conservative nominee.)
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To: stevie_d_64
But now, as good as it may have been, doesn’t seem like a lot of conservative fight is left in that state...

For some reason, my son is still fighting. He's young, he'll get over it. Although, when I think about it, he has always loved being a political troublemaker and there's not much more to lose in CA.

Right now he's fighting over proxy votes and who is really doing the voting. I've been suggesting, ever so gently, that it's time to move (as soon as my husband can find another job and we can sell our house, we're gone) but he's not done making folks in this state mad at him. :)

39 posted on 02/21/2012 11:27:10 AM PST by CAluvdubya (Newt or Rick.....either one works)
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To: C210N

There’s plenty of crack pot politicians from practically every state; the problem is that with the abrogation of States Rights, crack pot Senators and some members of the House are becoming an ever larger problem for the nation as a whole. We really need to get back to a “Representative Republic” and reestablishment of States Rights. And that’s the case, if no other reason, than because this country is too geographically huge and diverse in climate and terrain, population make-up and resource distribution for a “one-size-fits-all” solution. Its like....55MPH speed limits just don’t fit the reality of Wyoming any more than mandates for snow plows fit Arizona.


40 posted on 02/21/2012 12:08:59 PM PST by Rich21IE
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