Posted on 02/11/2012 10:25:42 AM PST by brityank
So I have learned over the years. It's too bad. FR is a unique forum for teasing facts out of the media murk, but it's impossible on any LE use of force thread. Their minds have been made up, any contradictory evidence is either ignored or explained away as evidence of a conspiracy. Oh well. It is what it is.
I’ll wait for further information — but, so far, this shooting smells.
You must be a cop.
There is no fog here. This is not a complex incident.
Why not just ask the deputy involved or the teenagers in the vehicle?
Why is there suddenly a different version of events? OCSD originally stated the deputy feared for his life. Days later, the deputy now feared of the kids in the vehicle?
Tell me, after about a week, how is it possible the OCSD spokesperson has no idea if the passengers versions of events is or is not consistent with the deputy's version?
How is that possible?
I have a feeling this cop is gonna walk.
If it is on film anywhere, unless it clears the deputy, it [the tape]will disappear.
According to the local ABC news outlet, the entire incident was caught on the dash board camera. Since it hasn’t been released or even mentioned by the police spokesman, I’m guessing it’s ambiguous at best. Because of the secrecy and changing stories by the cops, I’m guessing it’s a classic case of DWB- driving while black. I don’t believe the marine was speeding. I don’t believe he crashed through the gate either. I’m guessing the marine was doing what he did many times before- going to the high school track early in the morning to walk with his kids. The cop spotted him, hassled him (at least in the mind of the marine) and, when the marine objected to the treatment and tried to drive away- the cop shot him. Of course, I could be completely wrong, but I love to play Sherlock Holmes.
Recall when the cops shot the West Point graduate at Cosco in Nevada? That also was supposed to have been on film. The film has yet to appear.
The Marine pulled into the school, possibly accidentally hit a gate, damages his nice clean looking SUV, the deputy pulls in behind him, he's already pissed his vehicle was slightly damaged, walks off, ignored the deputy's command, walked back, got in his vehicle, ignoring the deputy due to being pissed off, and the deputy opens fire thought the driver side window.
Pure 100% speculation on my part.
Speaking of PURE speculation - I wonder what he was doing at 4:30 in the morning at the school with his kids. Perhaps he has an older daughter, who he finds out is at a kegger party in the woods by the school, mom is at work and he doesn’t want to leave the other kids at home alone, and leaves to go find the daughter. As I said - PURE conjecture, but would make a good movie script.
Prayers for the girls and this man’s family.
Oops - I formed my speculation earlier in the day, and didn’t read through the forthcoming posts that said the guy walked there in the mornings.
I think your speculation is pretty close to mine. I don’t think the marine was speeding. I think he was just going to the track with his two kids like he’d done before. A cop who was “writing reports” at 4:30 in the morning on the high school lot, spotted a suspicious black man driving onto the property. The marine maybe hit the gate and was inspecting the damage when the cop drives up and pulls his gun. The marine takes umbrage at being hassled in front of his two kids- perhaps even says a few nasty comments and then decides to get in his car and drive away- and the cop just shoots him in a split second of anger, indignation, panic or whatever. The cop then makes up the whole speeding, leaving the scene of an accident and endangerment bs.
To be honest, I was hoping or assuming it would be revealed the Marine would have been armed, pulling a weapon, knife whatever etc, etc, and had a real history of child abuse and or he was seen barking at the moon, etc,...Nothing.
They should be forthright here, without question.
Did the deputy unintentionally pull the trigger when possibly attempting to keep the suspect from driving off? Could happen....If that was the case...It's better to be honest and upfront.
This implies that OCSD has given its official version of events. They have not. The press office, we are told, said immediately after the shooting that the deputy "fearing for his safety/life/something" fired. They then corrected that and said "fearing for the safety of the children". I don't know that these are necesarily contradictory, or if the media accurately reported them, or what relationship they bear to what the deputy told his field sergeant, who presumably relayed the intel up the chain of command.
Perhaps there's a grand conspiracy within the OCSD to cover this up Seems more likely to me that imperfect information was initially released, and that it was quickly corrected.
Deciding that the OCSD has "clearly changed its version" is not an accurate or fair characterization of what the department has stated to the public to date.
>Nice try, but I've likely forgotten more about law enforcement procedures/investigations/public relations and tactics than you ever knew.
Bet you're wrong!
One not be a senior investigator to understand, based on that OCSD has reported and or not reported, that this shoot reeks bad.
Clearly, we won't agree on this topic. That statement tells me that no matter what facts, information and evidence becomes available, you've made up your mind. Which, I submit, proves my point for me.
Because, in Orange County, the investigation is being handled by the DA's office, not the Sheriff's department. The DA hasn't told the Sheriff's spokesperson because it's a criminal investigation.
There's an IA investigation underway as well.
Tell me, after about a week...
What's the urgency?
If a mistake is made, a trigger pulled accidentally due to a perceived deep concern, fright etc, ..Well s*** happens... **** happens a lot. Could happen? Yep.. and does happen.
If this is the situation here, which I do not profess to know, they should be upfront.
Simply be honest.
It's much harder to punish someone being honest and human. Speaking the truth sometimes works.
Is there anyone here who believes an accidental trigger pull is not possible during a tense situation?
I think you might be right. It could have been an accidental trigger pull. Or a cop, in the heat of the moment without thinking, shooting a fleeing suspect. But a human being died that night. Even worse, two young girls saw their father killed. I can’t even imagine how that would affect me. But the fact the cop claims he was sitting in that parking lot “writing reports” is bs. I believe he was sleeping or reading a book or on his cell phone. I doubt that had anything to do with what happened, but it showed his lack of dedication or respect for his job. Even more appalling is the coverup- by the cop and the police force. They’re going to destroy this man’s reputation all in the name of covering their asses. Of course, the cop could be completely innocent. But the way they’re handling the investigation certainly smells bad.
BTW...if it's righteous to draw down on a potential threat to children, then in this case, it's the Marine who should have been holding a gun on the cop, then, shouldn't it.
I've been thinking of going expatriate for a while...Ben Franklin said "where Liberty is, there is my country", or something like that. I don't think I recognize this country any more.
Irrational is a subjective opinion, and I am sure those children will keep for their lives the picture of this man being blown away by someone they didn’t even know...it smells fishy. I wonder if he got out of the car to take a pee.....
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