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Simply abandon the ‘norm against killing’ to solve organ transplant problem: leading US bioethicists
LifeSiteNews ^ | 2/8/12 | Hilary White

Posted on 02/08/2012 4:53:32 PM PST by wagglebee

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Ozimic called the paper “obnoxious” and warned that its authors have “forgotten the lessons of the 20th century,” referring to the utilitarianism-based eugenics programmes of the pre-war Nazi government.

The culture of death hasn't forgotten what the Nazis did, they have embraced it.

1 posted on 02/08/2012 4:53:45 PM PST by wagglebee
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2 posted on 02/08/2012 4:55:30 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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3 posted on 02/08/2012 4:57:24 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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4 posted on 02/08/2012 4:58:44 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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I have always hated doctors and hospitals with a passion.....now maybe I realize why.

Sick bastards.


5 posted on 02/08/2012 5:02:14 PM PST by RightOnline
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Anything the subject “bioethics” comes up. Fight it if you can. It’s caca.


6 posted on 02/08/2012 5:03:24 PM PST by NathanR
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7 posted on 02/08/2012 5:10:21 PM PST by Lady Lucky (Public education -- government cheese for the brain.)
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"...  It also cannot be unfair to kill her if it does her no harm.”
 
Wow. 
 
This excerpt was referring to patients who were in a coma, but come on... define "harm" and "unfair", please.

8 posted on 02/08/2012 5:10:36 PM PST by Let_It_Be_So (Once you see the Truth, you cannot "unsee" it, no matter how hard you may try.)
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9 posted on 02/08/2012 5:14:08 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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All I have to say to the two authors of this article is: "Put your life where your mouth is - You Go First!"
10 posted on 02/08/2012 5:21:00 PM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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Never trust a man who calls himself an “ethicist”. He is claiming that title in order to advance something unethical.


11 posted on 02/08/2012 5:29:24 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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Never trust a man who calls himself an “ethicist”. He is claiming that title in order to advance something unethical.


12 posted on 02/08/2012 5:29:33 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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13 posted on 02/08/2012 5:31:25 PM PST by Hoosier-Daddy ( "It does no good to be a super power if you have to worry what the neighbors think." BuffaloJack)
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I wouldn’t worry about this too much.

When Obama care starts paying Doctors who are capable of doing Organ Transplants the same pay as Podiatrists who trim toenails , there arent going to be many transplants done. Also the transplants cost a lot of money and the death panels would only allow them for the very rich and Congressional politicians anyway.


14 posted on 02/08/2012 5:38:14 PM PST by Venturer
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“I wouldn’t worry about this too much.”

Well, a couple of Nazi quacks have stepped forward - publicly - and advocated killing folks for organs.

We aren’t that far removed from World War II and what we did to Nazi scum after the war.

Hang the SOBs.


15 posted on 02/08/2012 5:45:45 PM PST by sergeantdave
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But we need to wait until we can be certain those we kill belong to the wrong political party /s.


17 posted on 02/08/2012 5:59:45 PM PST by Truth is a Weapon (Truth, it hurts so good.)
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The conundrum faced by the organ transplant industry, that the removal of vital organs kills the “donor,” can be “easily obviated by abandoning the norm against killing,” two leading U.S. bioethicists have said.

This, of course, begs the question of why, if human life isn't worth preserving, are organ transplants even considered?

Killing a patient who has lost all functional “abilities” and autonomy, “cannot disrespect her autonomy, because she has no autonomy left. It also cannot be unfair to kill her if it does her no harm.”

Most people consider the act of killing a very harmful act.

“Killing by itself is not morally wrong,” the authors said, “although it is still morally wrong to cause total disability.”

I can't wait to see this one trotted out by a murderer's defense lawyer. "Sure, he killed 12 people, but he should be acquitted because he didn't cause any of them to be disabled!"

In order to be consistent with “traditional medical ethics” the practice of organ transplants, already a multi-billion dollar international medical industry, would have to be stopped immediately. But stopping organ transplants on the mere grounds that it kills people, they said, would be “extremely harmful and unreasonable from an ethical point of view.”

It is because of ethics that I have always been against organ transplantation. I do not see how a desperately ill person can, in good conscience, actively hope for a healthy and vibrant person to die so that they can get their organ(s). If I were in that position, I wouldn't be able to justify such a desire. I have written on the back of my driver's license that I am not an organ donor.

“Here we are dealing with human beings, with our neighbours, brothers and sisters, the poor and invalids . . . unproductive - perhaps! But have they, therefore, lost the right to live? Have you or I the right to exist only because we are ‘productive’?”

The crux of the abortion movement has always been that the baby being killed has no intrinsic right to life because it, in fact, is useless--worse than useless, because not only is it not productive, it demands time and energy from another person, whose time and energy *could* be used productively if it weren't being expended on that baby. (And the message to the women having the abortions is just as clear: society has a right to throw them away, too, when they cease being productive.)

18 posted on 02/08/2012 6:00:23 PM PST by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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China does this to enemies of the State and criminals. China seems to be the elitists’ new ideal for “rule.”


19 posted on 02/08/2012 6:05:03 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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“terminal” sedation can be an ethical treatment for those in terrible pain, because you are treating the pain, not giving it to kill someone. Pius XII said that giving large amounts of pain killers was ethical, even if it shortened life, when it was done to treat the patient’s pain.

However, terminal sedation where they keep increasing the amount until you die of overdose is killing, and so is giving huge amounts of narcotics to put non terminal patients in a coma (e.g. as an alternative for hip fracture).
I bring up hip fracture because when Obama’s grandmother had both cancer and a hip fracture, they fixed the fracture but she died soon afterward...but in the discussions about health care cost, he mentioned that maybe in the interest of cost control, they should have done an “alternative” treatment. Alternative treatment is let the hip heal itself (which we sometimes have to do) but is more painful for the patient)...or terminal sedation...


20 posted on 02/08/2012 6:42:36 PM PST by LadyDoc
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