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Santorum: Trim Social Security now even if painful
Associated Press ^ | Jan 6, 2012 6:35 PM (ET) | CHARLES BABINGTON

Posted on 01/06/2012 6:38:10 PM PST by DJ MacWoW

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To: MontaniSemperLiberi

Never said that son. You should have more respect for elders. You can FO. You youngsters should be prepared to give up your SS. Anyone who takes away my paycheck does not get my vote. There are lots of us here who feel the same way. Since you’re so familiar with that website, please stay there.


581 posted on 01/07/2012 9:06:26 PM PST by deweyfrank
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To: Twink

“My parents always said Medicare was a scam (as well as SS) and I learned it was.”

The worst part about this is that is a senior wants to go to work for a small company to supplement his or her SS, the small company gets hit with the whole insurance bill if they have less than 50 on the plan.

It would be nice if the fact that the senior was on medicare would be an advantage to hiring the senior employee but it turns out just the opposite. It raises the cost for the small company to hire the senior because he or she is old and that drives up the small companies group rate.


582 posted on 01/07/2012 9:07:18 PM PST by babygene (Figures don't lie, but liars can figure...)
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To: volunbeer
I am pretty confident you can place the blame on those who voted in the great depression......

Why let their parents off the hook? They must have voted for Woodrow Wilson!?!

583 posted on 01/07/2012 9:07:32 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: MontaniSemperLiberi

The numbers are from the budget office. I got it from a basic googling.

http://www.gpoaccess.gov/usbudget/fy12/index.html

there’s a bunch of pdf documents containing it.


584 posted on 01/07/2012 9:19:27 PM PST by drbuzzard (different league)
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To: okie01

I don’t doubt it at all. If Santorum can make it through the primaries...I don’t think he will...and make it past the Media slams, he has a shot. But, I don’t think he can win nationally at this time. He’s far too socially conservative at a time when almost half the country isn’t. The liberal machine will destroy him on these issues. I guess I don’t have faith in our conservative side to fight it. We don’t have the media influence.

I think there’s concern about his “compassionate conservativism” and I agree. His record isn’t really small government. Pros and Cons of course.

He’s an honorable man and we’d be lucky if he were POTUS.

He didn’t lose his PA election because he supported Specter...he lost because Casey’s son was his opponent and even Repubs in PA loved former Gov Bob Casey. He was really a conservative Dem. His son isn’t.


585 posted on 01/07/2012 9:22:06 PM PST by Twink
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To: deweyfrank

“You won’t get my vote to cut off my lifeline.”

Your lifeline is costing me 15% of my paycheck and mortgaging my children’s future. Frankly I don’t like the 15% but I can put up with it. What I can’t stand is someone who posts on a conservative website demanding that we go more into debt. Take care of yourself. Leave my children alone.


586 posted on 01/07/2012 9:30:34 PM PST by MontaniSemperLiberi (Moutaineers are Always Free)
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To: TigersEye

LOL! It is stylish and helps in blinding them with the bling. ;)

The tiara can get in the way sometimes but I think they go well together. They’re both a bit crooked, though. Good thing they are bright and shiny.


587 posted on 01/07/2012 9:30:53 PM PST by Twink
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To: MontaniSemperLiberi

Brutal bit honest. SS is a scam.


588 posted on 01/07/2012 9:32:00 PM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: drbuzzard

Thanks. I went through those last year and got the 2011 numbers. Mine are no longer current. I was hoping you found something more concise.

Thank you for posting. It’s all correct. It’s simple arithmetic.


589 posted on 01/07/2012 9:33:54 PM PST by MontaniSemperLiberi (Moutaineers are Always Free)
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To: patriot08

>I think they should leave SS alone and concentrate on cutting aid to Muslim sh*t holes, cut welfare and aid to illegal aliens who are sucking our country dry.

Why can’t people look up the simple numbers and stop spouting this nonsense?

All foreign aid is $58 billion a year.

All spending (calculcated by FAIR, not a sympathetic bunch to illegals) is $100 billion a year (at all levels of government).

Spending on retirees by the federal government on Social Security and Medicare is $1.29 Trillion.

If you want them in like terms:

What you propose cutting : $0.158 trillion
to cover problems with
$1.29 trillion.

Is that clear enough?

This doesn’t even get into the fact that the senior spending is growing at an alarming pace.

Either people will face facts soon or we’re looking at a Weimar economy.


590 posted on 01/07/2012 9:36:08 PM PST by drbuzzard (different league)
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To: Twink
The liberal machine will destroy him on these issues. I guess I don’t have faith in our conservative side to fight it. We don’t have the media influence.

You can say the same thing about any Republican candidate.

Frankly, I think the road to victory for a Republican candidate is to make the media itself an issue.

They're very vulnerable. The vast majority of voters recognize that the media is biased, has an agenda and can't be trusted to tell the truth about anything. As a profession, journalists are held in lower regard than lawyers.

A GOP candidate who takes advantage of their credibility gap can win.

591 posted on 01/07/2012 9:40:03 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: MontaniSemperLiberi
WAAAAAAAWAAAAAA!!! I paid that for 40 years. You stold it. You owe me son. I say end it now for anyone under 55 or so. Don't say I'm not conservative just because I'm poor and depending on my SS check. You, my friend, are acting like an idiot.
592 posted on 01/07/2012 9:46:29 PM PST by deweyfrank
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To: drbuzzard

We had this out last night.
I’m done with you.

You know da*mn well if they cut out foreign aid to these Muslim sh*t holes AND cut back wellfare AND stop letting these criminal illegals sneak into to the U.S and support them, It would FAR outweigh whatever they would save by trying to make our poor seniors pay for this.


593 posted on 01/07/2012 9:59:11 PM PST by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: deweyfrank

You’re a freeloader. You shouldn’t be posting here. People don’t care about a freeloader’s opinion.


594 posted on 01/07/2012 10:31:44 PM PST by MontaniSemperLiberi (Moutaineers are Always Free)
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To: volunbeer

You’re welcome.

ITA.

I give him props too and his words were taken out of context but he probably sunk his campaign. I hope he hasn’t and we will see. I’d have no problem voting for him in the general and I know he’s a good man, patriot. He’s not my first or second choice in the primary.

Parents/Caring for our elderly: Things have changed it seems. My Dad was very vocal about not being in a nursing home, or even a hospital. He died in a hospital hours before he was supposed to go home on hospice. I will always regret that but fortunately I get solace from being with him as he died. He wasn’t alone which is something he feared. I had four little kids at home and traveled back and forth, spent many nights, helping my Mom care for my Dad. For years. Fortunately, I have a wonderful husband and many good friends who helped.

My Mom was really independent, and she caused us, her kids, to worry constantly but it was worth it in keeping her happy and independent. She fell and it took her hours to crawl across her house to reach the phone to call my best friend who lived around the corner. Hours of pain and finally getting to the phone to call a neighbor/my best friend...she and her mom went to the house (that’s how things were done in my old neighborhood...family/friends took care of each other). They called my oldest brother who lived 2 miles away and me who lived 45 min away...Ambulance came and my friend went to hosp with her and I met them there.

After a broken hip, surgery, rehab, she came to live with us. She hated being dependent on anyone especially her daughter. She used to say I had my own family, little kids, etc. and she didn’t want to be a burden. I think that’s what bothers/worries older people...being a burden. They aren’t a burden. I know many friends whose parents have their assisted living or nursing home picked out. That wasn’t an option for us. I’m not saying it’s wrong, people do what they can, but it wasn’t an option for us. I quit my job, one I just started, to take care of my Mom...I was able to do that because my husband has always been the primary income. Same as when I quit my job when my first child was born...my husband was the primary income and I was able to be a SAHM for 14 yrs. I went back to work part time then full time then quit to be the primary caregiver to my Mom.

My career got screwed up and we’re paying for it now, lol, but I wouldn’t change anything. Not being a SAHM or being the “primary caregiver” for my Mom once she moved in with us. She was cared for by me, my husband and my four kids around the clock. We benefitted far more from that for sure.

We were able to do that and everything else because of my husband’s job/career/income. Some people can and just won’t. I don’t understand that.

I grew up in a time or place when family took care of family. I joke with my kids about which one I’m going to live with...my husband says he’ll be dead so he won’t be an issue, lol.

Joking aside, our parish school has a mission...one of a few missions, kids write letters to parish shut ins. I didn’t realize how many elderly have no one there for them even in this community. Our 8th grade hosts a senior luncheon every Christmas and it amazed me that this is one of the few social interactions some of our parish seniors have. The highlight of their year is this Senior luncheon. Something is wrong there.

I bring Communion to shut ins (those who can’t get to mass for whatever reason) and most just want someone to talk to/visit with. They just want compamy.


595 posted on 01/07/2012 10:40:21 PM PST by Twink
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To: okie01

True. I just think it’s more difficult for some.

ITA. Make the media the issue. Turn it back on them. I think they’d be surprised how much support they have. It frustrates me that our candidates don’t do this.


596 posted on 01/07/2012 11:18:54 PM PST by Twink
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To: Twink
Make the media the issue. Turn it back on them. I think they’d be surprised how much support they have. It frustrates me that our candidates don’t do this.

You'd think they'd notice that everytime Newt gives the media moderators a dressing down, the audience roars its approval.

597 posted on 01/07/2012 11:39:42 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: MD Expat in PA
'Retirement income' by definition includes supplemental monthly payments to an individual's retirement nest egg. And in no way am I saying that Social Security will ever be solvent as long as the government is in charge of it. But by eliminating the roughly 30% who are drawing from it even though they have not yet reached retirement age will certainly ease the drain on the system and prolong the years before the crash hits. The pool of people 'entitled' to receive payments was drastically increased during the Carter Administration. Simply by turning the clock back to 1976, we can alleviate much of the pressure we are now facing.

To be clear, Social Security is a pyramid scheme. It will fail; the only question now is when. My greatest regret of the Bush Administration is that he did not get his reform passed back in 2006. Democrats decried that by denying the fund those two percentage points, the system would go bankrupt. Yet four years later, Democrats would line up to vote away those same two percentage points, except instead of going into an actual retirement account as Bush wanted, they are instead spent now.

When that tax cut [sic] was implemented last January, I immediately increased my 401(k) withholding by two percentage points. But if I were allowed to withdraw from Social Security entirely, and instead put 12½ % of my income into a retirement account, I would retire a millionaire, and my kids and grandkids would be guaranteed an inheritance. With Social Security, people instead are guaranteed poverty-level living and no inheritance for future generations.

598 posted on 01/08/2012 12:49:38 AM PST by Hoodat (Because they do not change, Therefore they do not fear God. -Psalm 55:19-)
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I'm on a Disney discussion board. This was posted this morning.

Well the first Hurdle is done.. I was awarded my Social Security Disability now I just have to wait to get my money to plan my next trip to Walt Disney World. Just debating on wether to plan a full premium Disney vacation. so t minus 60 days b4 I can plan my next trip.

Words fail me.

599 posted on 01/08/2012 4:58:29 AM PST by Lacey
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To: volunbeer
I'm just pointing that you are receiving a form of financial assistance for your children and your house.

We've beat this to death. Now we have to beat Romney and Obama.

600 posted on 01/08/2012 5:27:44 AM PST by Boston Blackie
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