Posted on 01/02/2012 5:56:39 PM PST by Yosemitest
Ron Paul spoke out against it, I believe.
In the first two months, fifteen hundred of the accused were guillotined.
Demonic
make of that what you will
First of all, you must understand that Obama thinks patriotic Americans are terrorists.
Second of all, he's sure Americans are stupid enough to let this be used quietly. Just like Nazi Germany, people will start disappearing. Few, at first; and then more and more.
They have to get control of what the enemy is saying and doing. Don't ever forget, patriotic Americans are the real enemy in Obama's eyes.
Anyone who would believe anything that mac daddy says is a moron.
He is unable to ever tell the truth about anything, ever.
Even DUmmies are right sometimes.
Do you believe obama?
Look at the ages of the “Conservative” judges left on the court and you will see that if Obama gets another term he may have a better chance of success.
Yes,
but obammy thinks all TEA party folks are terrorists and the new black panthers and ows are his people.
Sooo,
If a republican wins this go around does that mean the president can incarcerate Andrea itchell and hold her sorry liberal ass indefinately without trial?
Boy that would go over well.
It will NOT stop until the hangings start.
Can you point to an original source, other than Benson, that verifies the comment? The problem with Benson’s recollection have already been pointed out.
So, can you point to something other than “liberals lie,” which coincidentally has nothing to do with google, as the google books link is nothing than a snippet of an actual, in print, book by Paul F. Boller and John George.
” It would then replace it with a true state militia funded entirely by state revenues.”
Twenty-six states do support and fund state militias. Are you a member?
As I said, it’s too open to interpretation. From the ABC report:
Due process would be a thing of the past, wrote Gens Charles C. Krulak and Joseph P. Hoar. Current law empowers the military to detain people caught on the battlefield, but this provision would expand the battlefield to include the United States and hand Osama bin Laden an unearned victory long after his well-earned demise.
What was supposed to be state militias has been essentially federalized.
The couldnt really do that because of what i said above:
the govt would have to prove that this bill applies to them in a court of law first-esp since the bill was intended to apply only to someone who either was a member or provided support to Al Qaeda, Taliban or an affiliated Terror outfit or had a direct role in 9/11. Then they would have to come to a sort of consensus on whether or not existing law allows for their detainment-since again, this bill states that the laws regarding detaining US citizens and legal aliens are the same as they were before. And whether or not existing law and our current state of conflict allow for detention and suspension of Habeus Corpus is highly debated, thus clearly contestable in a court of law. So in a way, they would get due process-if the govt was still interested in playing by the rules and following the laws. If they werent, then NDAA 2012 would be wholly irrelevant anyway,
I’ve seen how with this administration has worked their way around laws or reinterpret them. Bottom line, I don’t trust this president, this congress to do the right thing. If Obama signed something, it has a purpose and it’s not good for the country.
But even if they did retire, that would mean Obama would be able to simply fill SCOTUS with judges that answer only to him. Anyone who tried anything remotely close to that failed badly, and being afraid of that approaches irrational paranoia.
The original article is wrong. Please review the text of sections 1031 and 1032 below and tell me where you find a right to detain or execute anyone.
This is the entire text of Section 1031:
SEC. 1031. COUNTERTERRORISM OPERATIONAL BRIEFING REQUIREMENT.
(a) BRIEFINGS REQUIRED.Beginning not later than March 1,
2012, the Secretary of Defense shall provide to the congressional defense committees quarterly briefings outlining Department of Defense counterterrorism operations and related activities involving special operations forces.
(b) ELEMENTS.Each briefing under subsection (a) shall include each of the following:
(1) A global update on activity within each geographic
combatant command.
(2) An overview of authorities and legal issues including
limitations.
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(3) An outline of interagency activities and initiatives.
(4) Any other matters the Secretary considers appropriate.
This is the entire text of section 1032:
SEC. 1032. NATIONAL SECURITY PLANNING GUIDANCE TO DENY SAFE
HAVENS TO AL-QAEDA AND ITS VIOLENT EXTREMIST AFFILIATES.
(a) PURPOSE.The purpose of this section is to improve interagency strategic planning and execution to more effectively integrate efforts to deny safe havens and strengthen at-risk states to further the goals of the National Security Strategy related to the disruption, dismantlement, and defeat of al-Qaeda and its violent
extremist affiliates.
(b) NATIONAL SECURITY PLANNING GUIDANCE.
(1) GUIDANCE REQUIRED.The President shall issue classified
or unclassified national security planning guidance in support of objectives stated in the national security strategy report submitted to Congress by the President pursuant to section 108 of the National Security Act of 1947 (50 U.S.C. 404a)to deny safe havens to al-Qaeda and its violent extremist affiliates and to strengthen at-risk states. Such guidance shall serve as the strategic plan that governs United States and coordinated international efforts to enhance the capacity of governmental and nongovernmental entities to work toward the goal of eliminating the ability of al-Qaeda and its violent extremist affiliates to establish or maintain safe havens.
(2) CONTENTS OF GUIDANCE.The guidance required under
paragraph (1) shall include each of the following:
(A) A prioritized list of specified geographic areas that
the President determines are necessary to address and
an explicit discussion and list of the criteria or rationale
used to prioritize the areas on the list, including a discussion of the conditions that would hamper the ability of the United States to strengthen at-risk states or other
entities in such areas.
(B) For each specified geographic area, a description,
analysis, and discussion of the core problems and contributing issues that allow or could allow al-Qaeda and its violent extremist affiliates to use the area as a safe haven from which to plan and launch attacks, engage in propaganda, or raise funds and other support, including any
ongoing or potential radicalization of the population, or
to use the area as a key transit route for personnel,
weapons, funding, or other support.
(C) A list of short-term, mid-term, and long-term goals
for each specified geographic area, prioritized by importance.
(D) A description of the role and mission of each Federal
department and agency involved in executing the guidance,
including the Departments of Defense, Justice, Treasury, and State and the Agency for International Development.
(E) A description of gaps in United States capabilities
to meet the goals listed pursuant to subparagraph (C),
and the extent to which those gaps can be met through
coordination with nongovernmental, international, or private
sector organizations, entities, or companies.
(3) REVIEW AND UPDATE OF GUIDANCE.The President shall
review and update the guidance required under paragraph
(1) as necessary. Any such review shall address each of the
following:
(A) The overall progress made toward achieving the
goals listed pursuant to paragraph (2)(C), including an
overall assessment of the progress in denying a safe haven
to al-Qaeda and its violent extremist affiliates.
(B) The performance of each Federal department and
agency involved in executing the guidance.
(C) The performance of the unified country team and
appropriate combatant command, or in the case of a crossborder effort, country teams in the area and the appropriate combatant command.
(D) Any addition to, deletion from, or change in the
order of the prioritized list maintained pursuant to paragraph
(2)(A).
(4) SPECIFIED GEOGRAPHIC AREA DEFINED.In this subsection,
the term specified geographic area means any country, subnational territory, or region
(A) that serves or may potentially serve as a safe
haven for al-Qaeda or a violent extremist affiliate of al-
Qaeda
(i) from which to plan and launch attacks, engage in propaganda, or raise funds and other support; or
(ii) for use as a key transit route for personnel, weapons, funding, or other support; and
(B) over which one or more governments or entities
exert insufficient governmental or security control to deny
al-Qaeda and its violent extremist affiliates the ability
to establish a large scale presence.
But even if they did retire, that would mean Obama would be able to simply fill SCOTUS with judges that answer only to him. Anyone who tried anything remotely close to that failed badly, and being afraid of that approaches irrational paranoia.
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