David Cameron's Finest Hour

Townhall.com ^ | December 13, 2011 | Pat Buchanan

[sodpoodle]

***And if the euro-zone collapses, and the EU follows, what, then, is Europe — other than a geographic expression?***

The European Union was an academic exercise in order to compete with the United “States”, economically, technologically, monetarily and fiscally. National borders were relaxed to accommodated tourism and foreign exchange. The UK made severe adjustments to ‘fit in’.

The only benefit to the UK was that English is spoken throughout Europe. Otherwise, it was a repeat of the United Nations forcing the UK to relinquish all of its territories and possessions (sovereignty)

A better enterprise - to have invited England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales to become the 51st, 52nd, 53rd and 54th States.

[Travis McGee]

Patrick J. at his finest.

[Old Teufel Hunden]

"The Germans are exploiting the crisis to impose their model on the eurozone today and all of Europe tomorrow."

Perhaps if countries like Greece, Spain and Portugal weren't such deadbeats, the Germans wouldn't be in a position to exploit them. If I were Germany, I wouldn't bail them out in the first place.

[Old Teufel Hunden]

"A better enterprise - to have invited England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales to become the 51st, 52nd, 53rd and 54th States."

Is that kind of like the SEC inviting Texas A&M into their conference? If that's the case, would getting an invite to join the EU be like when the Big East invites someone in?

[sodpoodle]

I have no idea;)

Joining the EU was stupid for the UK. Sold their soul for a common currency.

Being part of the US would be mutually beneficial - we would get King William and the UK would get Lady GaGag;)

[Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)]

Good article. Thank you.

Does anybody else smell a Soros stench emanating from somewhere in this mess?

[Old Teufel Hunden]

"Joining the EU was stupid for the UK. Sold their soul for a common currency."

Britian is in the EU, but they are not a part of the eurozone. They are still on the pound. Being in the EU IMO is beneficial to Britian. It acts as a giant free trade zone for them, plus there's far less restrictions on passports, travel and stuff like that. One of the bad things is that laws are passed that could affect Britian by lawmakers elected from other countries. Fortunately, as of right now those laws do not interfere with national sovereignty type stuff as I understand it. However, that could change in the future.

[Malesherbes]

France has a Presidential election next April (first round) and May (run-off.) On present evidence, Sarkozy will lose to the Socialist Hollande and may be eliminated in the first round by Marine LePen. LePen wants to get out of the EU and Hollande wants “to protect France’s sovereignty.”

The Sarkozy-Merkel alliance may be short-lived.

[sodpoodle]

Thanks for the clarification.

I understood the UK conversion to metric (weights & measurement, temperature, currency exchange etc.,) were all tied to simplification for joining the EU.

Still have farthings, ha’pennies, pennies, thre’pennies, sixpenses, shillings, florins, half-crowns and guineas;)

[wolfman23601]

“A better enterprise - to have invited England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales to become the 51st, 52nd, 53rd and 54th States.”

Or to retain their own sovereignty. And besides, the US Constitution does not allow for the recognition of royalty. These countries have too many traditions and too deep of a history. They need to remain independent.

[sodpoodle]

****the US Constitution does not allow for the recognition of royalty.****

I was being silly - but your point is a good one.

The Pompous one, the Kennedys, Clintons, Career Congress, media, & academia aristocracy need a similar reminder.

[Old Teufel Hunden]

"Thanks for the clarification."

No problemo. Think of the eurozone as a sort of subset of the EU. They all share the same monetary policy but each country still has it's own fiscal policy, creates its own budget and spending etc... Which IMO can't work. This seems to be what Germany wants to eliminate and tie the fiscal policies of these countries closer together by having their budgets monitored in Brussells. But if a country does not control it's own monetary or fiscal policy, is it really a country? That's why I see the eurozone eventually collapsing but the European Union can still continue. With a lot of bad feelings between the countries IMO.

[Old Teufel Hunden]

"LePen wants to get out of the EU and Hollande wants “to protect France’s sovereignty."

Does she want to get out of the EU or off the euro (i.e. out of the Eurozone)? IMO, the EU is beneficial for it's countries as long as it sticks to things like free trade, passports and travel. If it ever starts to get into things like foreign policy, raising armies and things that a sovereign country has control over, then it would be a bad thing. As far as I know right now it does not. I don't like how they elect lawmakers from each country to be part of this European Parliment. I don't know what kind of laws they can enact but I think as of right now it just has to do with the trade regulations and stuff like that. But you know how lawmakers are. I would be very afraid of them expanding their powers.

[Caulkhead]

” plus there’s far less restrictions on passports, travel and stuff like that.”

It doesn’t. We didn’t sign up for the Schengen Agreement so it’s full borders and passports into and out of the UK just as it is in the US.

[Caulkhead]

“IMO, the EU is beneficial for it’s countries as long as it sticks to things like free trade, passports and travel”

It doesn’t though does it? The EU dictates some 75% of all the laws enacted by the national parliaments of its’ member states and punishes those who decent.

We used to have a perfectly good free trade group across Europe called the EEC, but the politicos had to grasp more power and try to turn it into a German run federal super-state and we are currently seeing the results of that greed for power and political hubris.

[Old Teufel Hunden]

"We didn’t sign up for the Schengen Agreement so it’s full borders and passports into and out of the UK just as it is in the US."

Why would you not want to sign up for that agreement? Unless of course there's other crappy things in there that gives up British sovereignty. Or are there undesirables that you may have to allow travel into Britian by signing up for this?

On the European Parliment, I admit I don't know or understand the full extent of their power. Like all politicians, I'm sure they're trying to grab for more power so it might be best just to get completely out of the EU.

[ridesthemiles]

A better enterprise - to have invited England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales to become the 51st, 52nd, 53rd and 54th States.””

That should confuse Obama—& we still have 3 more to find to total his ‘57 states’.

[rmlew]

CAmeron’s finest hour would be to take Britiann out of the EU/Fourth Reich. At the very least, he could allow the British serfs to vote on their new servitude, something he has pointedly refused to do.

[Caulkhead]

My reference to the Schengen Agreement was to correct your assertion that the EU had made crossing our borders easier - it hasn’t.