Posted on 12/10/2011 3:53:36 PM PST by mnehring
Bump to reply to later. After I calm down and don’t go off on the zombies who’re celebrating the loss of a good man here.
That’s a piece of cake, you moron! Saddam’s minions trained hijackers on a Boeing mockup SE of Baghdad. Al Queda also had an active outpost in NE of the country that Saddam allowed to operate. Saddam cooperated with Al Queda and provided financing although he didn’t trust them not to attack him...kinda like protection money!
JC
Don’t let the door knob catch you in the @## on the way out!
JC
“Some more examples- Falsely claiming that the only way the Constitution allows the use of the military in our interest is through a formal declaration of war (specifically worded as he expects). This contradicts Article 1, Section 8 which gives three specific ways the military can be used for force (1. Punishing piracy and offenses against the laws of nations, 2. Formal war, & 3. Quelling insurrections). He has been screaming for a decade how the WOT is unConstitutional yet this falls under category 1 in how the military can be used.)...
...How about his claim that the Constitution says that only ‘gold and silver coin’ are legal tender. This is again false. (albeit a decent practice). The Constitution limits States to only issue gold or silver for payments of debts but Article 1 specifically gives Congress the power to both mint currency and set the value, something they couldn’t do if it were a commodity currency like gold where the value is set by the market...
...How about his opposition to the Defense of Marriage act and saying the government has no role in recognizing any marriage? Again, this flies in the face of Article 1 that does give Congress the authority to set standards for ‘weights and measures’. How does that apply? Federalist 42 discusses how ‘measures’ include definitions that apply to contracts and laws (ie what defines the parties in a Marriage Contract).”
Great points. I used to contend that Paul is fairly ignorant about the Constitution with his zombies, but they debate like liberals, so I just let them circle themselves, flailing about.
Paul is a mere political charlatan, there are lots of those, but his zealots are far more ignorant.
Capt. Kirk got the zot? HAPPY DANCE!!!
Not a Ron Paul fan, but the gold coin I am looking at says $20. The silver coin has $1 on it. Sure, I would not give it to you for the stated price...but the government sets the price. If you did a search, you could find the old PM standards for our currency.
The sad part is the followers constantly repeating and programming themselves with the mantra ‘he is the only Constitutionalist, he is the only consistent one, true to the founders.. yadda, yadda’ without having a healthy skepticism of his actual record.
You have an entire movement and generation who aren’t judging what is happening on the actual Constitution along with the Federalist Papers as a guide for meaning and context. Instead, they are weighing it all on what Paul says it is.
That is putting way too much trust in someone ‘from the government who is here to help’ instead of stepping outside what someone from the government says and being skeptical of them.
It is almost like religious cultists who follow the cult leader’s statements on the Bible versus the actual Bible.
It is the antitheses of rationality.
This is a dishonest post.
A truther believes that the government was involved in the plot to murder thousands of Americans.
The comment in the article does not indicate that Ron Paul believes that. He might believe that, but the comment doesn’t prove that.
His isolationist foreign policy positions are certainly open to criticism, but this post is not honest criticism.
Means, Motive and Opportunity.
Paul is discussing Motive.
It may not be an overt Make It Happen On Purpose truther, but he is generally in line with the Let It Happen On Purpose side, even if he keeps his language ‘political’.
“Walter” you’re not funny anymore!
Walter has been sympathizing with Achmed too much and smoking some of Peanut’s stash.
Thank you, and as I recall, Saddam also had an Al Queda liaison officer who attended a finance meeting in Malaysia (I think) to coordinate their mutual efforts. He also provided the monies ($25K per) to reward Palestinian terrorist suicide bombers’ families after successful bombings of Israeli citizens/facilities.
JC
Maybe not glee, but definitely a sense of not letting a good crisis go to waste. And there were definitely people who wanted to invade Iraq before 9/11 and viewed this as their big chance. So Paul is basically right. And saying this doesn't make him a "truther".
9-11 Sept 2001
Afghanistan Oct 2001
Iraq March 2003
Two of these make sense together, one doesn’t.
“So Paul is basically right.”
No, he is basically incorrect.
“And saying this doesn’t make him a “truther”.”
It makes him a conspiratorial nutcake and at the very least, a Truther Lite. Probably more, since he hangs with Alex’s Truther Calvacade.
Maybe not glee, but definitely a sense of not letting a good crisis go to waste. And there were definitely people who wanted to invade Iraq before 9/11 and viewed this as their big chance. So Paul is basically right. And saying this doesn’t make him a “truther”.
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Is it just me, or do I feel another Paulbot ZOT coming? JimRob? Still there??
Yeah, FR needs more Truther input....... /sarc.
I take it you had some run-ins with him as well ?
I, for one, was looking foward to this day for a while.
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