Here's Hoping Herman Cain Will Stay In the Race

FOXNEWS.com ^ | December 2, 2011 | Dr. Alveda King

[AmericanInTokyo]

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[ClearBlueSky]

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I hope he stays in. He’ll have my vote.

[loucon]

Back up a little. Cain admits to the allegation that payments were made (and the wife was not informed). Admits. The allegation is no longer. Stop parsing.

...and I agreed to that.

You're the one who first used the term "documented" and made a big point of using it. That is what I called you on.

[1rudeboy]

so no, you cannot infer that documentation exists based solely on its acknowledgement

So yes, you can . . . especially when the payments occurred over the space of thirteen years.

And even if Cain left no paper trail, the existence of documentation is irrelevant because he ADMITS doing it. They are no longer alleged payments. That was the comment that brought me to this thread.

That, and the tortured definition of alms-giving.

[Sal]

I'm of the opinion that Herman Cain, in many moments of Christian charity, gave money to lots of people in need, this woman being one. This act, being so frequent and ordinary to him, occupies a place in his memory that is not associated with guilt, so does not register as something to “admit” to when running for public office.

Thank you! You said very efficiently and clearly what I was flailing around to express. It seems so obvious.

[alamogal]

Sadly, you’re leaving out some documented facts. You don’t give your personal cell number to every person you donate money to, and you certainly don’t return a text message to them at 4 am. I like Cain, but he has some “esplainin’ to do.”

[1rudeboy]

You're the one who first used the term "documented" and made a big point of using it.

Ok, so change "documented" to "admitted." Now go after the guy who used "alleged" with the same fervor. Because he was incorrect by an order of magnitude worse.

[dirtboy]

Saying that he was keeping secrets from his wife for charitable giving is silliness indeed unless you believe he was having a thirteen year affair including the year he was practically dead from fighting cancer.

You can choose to rationalize away the significance of such. I don't. I doubt one woman in 100 would accept their husband hiding such support to another woman from them, no matter what the underlying motive. All it would take is Cain telling her that it was happening. And Cain didn't say such.

[Netizen]

If I recall correctly that person is divorced. If I’m wrong they can clear it up. OMG, maybe she left him because he gave money to someone without asking her permission and that is why he sees this as a marriage breaker! ;) /s

[1rudeboy]

Sadly, you’re leaving out some documented facts.

There's that word again. You are really in for it, now.

[1rudeboy]

I doubt one woman in 100 would accept their husband hiding such support to another woman from them, no matter what the underlying motive.

If I tried to pull that stunt with any of the women I was thinking of marrying, you'd be hearing gunshots. This ain't France (except on this thread).

[dirtboy]

I am married, my second marriage. My first marriage was very short-lived and would have been annulled by the Catholic Church without much of a fight. I’ll leave the details at that.

[loucon]

There's that word again. You are really in for it, now.

LOL. Guess you really don't like word games all that much, now do you?

[1rudeboy]

Oh, I’m still here. Have you looked up the definition of “alleged,” yet? I thought your heart was in it.

[alamogal]

Thanks for the warning. I welcome correction, but in this instance, I don’t believe Cain has admitted to the fact that this woman had his personal cell phone number, or about the 4am texting. However, I believe members of the media who have seen the cellphone/text records have vouched for this..i.e.documented. I haven’t followed this as closely as some, so, stand to be corrected.

[1rudeboy]

Here, let me help you out a little.

What did Cain receive for alleged 'payment'?

Is the above statement true or false, bearing in mind that Cain has admitted to making payments?

[Lakeshark]

I just don't believe that based solely on giving this woman money to help her out proves that on its own.

Of course it doesn't. Unfortunately his acknowledgment of the "donations" is going to make it really tough for him to rebound.

It is grossly unfair, but I always thought Palin could have rebounded and overcome the nasty MSM smears had she run, at this point I have less confidence in Cain to do so.

They are going to go after Newt hard now that he is the front runner.

[Sal]

But, I am concerned as, what at first was “a friend to my wife and myself,” is now “No, my wife did not know her, nor did she know I was giving money to this woman.”

That sounds like a lie on his part, but the only place I've seen the statement that the woman was a friend of Gloria's as well was a statement from someone who claimed to have been in on a conference call where Cain said that. This was posted here on FR.

Later I saw a transcript of that call and it did NOT include a statement that the woman was a friend of Gloria's too. Now it's possible Cain said it somewhere else that I don't know about, but if you're relying on that conference call report, Cain didn't say it there. Unless of course you think the transcript was altered.

It just bothers me so much that it's so easy to jump on stuff that later turns out not to be accurate. I include myself in that as well. I used to trust things that FReepers reported on, but having gone through the last couple months, not so much anymore. Some of it is honest mistakes or misunderstandings I'm sure, but some of it isn't that innocent. (That's not aimed at you.)

[rdb3]

The phrase "rush to judgment" was never more appropriate than when witnessing the recent comments by allegedly intelligent conservatives right here on this forum, concluding that Herman Cain must be guilty of something, never mind that the veracity and trustworthiness of the so-called 'victims' were on a level reserved for used car salesmen and Nigerian scam email writers.

Indeed. Makes you wonder how these types will never just believe anything from the MSM except when it could suit their arguments, whether it's true what the MSM says or not.

I call these types "cafeteria conservatives", who pick and choose what they want to believe.

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[Netizen]

Helping someone out over the course of 13 years just might mean that he said call me if you need help. Its possible.