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Newt and the Social Conservatives (A twice-divorced candidate seeks Evangelical acceptance)
National Review ^ | 11/18/2011 | Katrina Trinko

Posted on 11/18/2011 8:04:29 AM PST by SeekAndFind

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To: RIghtwardHo

Mark 11:25 And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses. 26 But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.


41 posted on 11/18/2011 9:58:37 AM PST by CynicalBear
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To: LibsRJerks

Some of my sisters-in-Christ seem to have appointed themselves keeper of the pearly gates.

Forgiveness and redemption are between God and an individual.

Our country and the American people are in dire straits.

Four more years of Obama...No way.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAZGn-54Q9Y&feature=related


42 posted on 11/18/2011 10:47:16 AM PST by Goldie Lurks (professional moonbat catcher)
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43 posted on 11/18/2011 11:38:23 AM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: Keith in Iowa; iowamark

Are the ‘Jesus Only’ voters in Iowa confused or taking the year off? Maybe the dumping of Bachmann shows some of them have caught on about how the process works.


44 posted on 11/18/2011 1:21:06 PM PST by campaignPete R-CT (I will go back to New Hampshire to campaign.)
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To: campaignPete R-CT

I’m hoping enough of them have taken off their “issue blinders” and are looking at more than just the issues they are zealous about.


45 posted on 11/18/2011 1:29:36 PM PST by Keith in Iowa (Hope & Change - I'm out of hope, and change is all I have left every week | FR Class of 1998 |)
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To: geologist

Maybe you need to brush up on your facts, provide some verifiable links, and, if you are a Christian, study up on the doctrine of forgiveness and Christ’s power to create NEW creatures in Him, when they come to Him. Hate stinks.

here’s a little something to think about, while you’re looking for some reputable links to verify your unfounded statements:

“Jackie Gingrich Cushman wrote a column in May of this year called “Setting the Record Straight” where she dealt with the myth of Newt Gingrich serving his wife divorce papers while she was in the hospital with terminal cancer.

Here is the link:
http://townhall.com/columnists/jackiegingrichcushman/2011/05/08/setting_the_record_straight/page/full/

here are a few excerpts from her column:

-— “For years, I have thought about trying to correct the untrue accounts of this hospital visit… But I have always hesitated, as it was a private family matter and my mother is a very private person.”

-— “As for my parents’ divorce, I can remember when they told me.
It was the spring of 1980. My parents told my sister and me that they were getting a divorce as our family of four sat around the kitchen table of our ranch home.”

-— “Later that summer, Mom went to Emory University Hospital in Atlanta for surgery to remove a tumor. While she was there, Dad took my sister and me to see her.

It is this visit that has turned into the infamous hospital visit about which many untruths have been told… here’s what happened:

My mother and father were already in the process of getting a divorce, which she requested.
Dad took my sister and me to the hospital to see our mother.
She had undergone surgery the day before to remove a tumor.
The tumor was benign.

-— As have many families, we have healed; we have moved on.
My mother and father are alive and well, and my sister and I are blessed to have a close relationship with them both.”

*****
This is just one of the many fabrications the media and Newt’s enemies have circulated over the years. I can’t imagine how many others there are. If you read the article, it was obviously difficult for Jackie to talk about this, but she did, because at some point you have take on the liars. If the Gingrich family has moved on from this event so many years ago, as Jackie states, maybe it’s time for everybody else to move on, also.


46 posted on 11/18/2011 1:54:22 PM PST by true believer forever (First, they came for the rich.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
i LOVED your post, just wanted to add a few "footnotes"...

Matthew 6:14-15 NIV
For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.

Matthew 18: 21-22 NIV
Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, " Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother when he sins against me? Up to seven times? " Jesus answered, " I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times."

Numbers 14:19-20 NIV
In accordance with your great love, forgive the sin of these people, just as you have pardoned them from the time they left Egypt until now. The Lord replied, " I have forgiven them, as you asked."


John 8:7 NIV
When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her."


Acts 7:59-60 NIV
While they were stoning him, Stephen prayed, " Lord Jesus, receive my spirit." Then he fell on his knees and cried out, "Lord, do not hold this sin against them." When he had said this, he fell asleep.

Luke 17:3-4 NIV
So watch yourselves. " If your brother sins, rebuke him, and if he repents forgive him. If he sins against you seven times in a day, and seven times comes back to you and says , 'I repent,' forgive him."


Ephesians 4:32 ESV Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you.

Colossians 3:13 ESV Bearing with one another and, if one has a complaint against another, forgiving each other; as the Lord has forgiven you, so you also must forgive.

Proverbs 19:11 ESV Good sense makes one slow to anger, and it is his glory to overlook an offense.

Matthew 18:32-35 ESV Then his master summoned him and said to him, ‘You wicked servant! I forgave you all that debt because you pleaded with me. (33) And should not you have had mercy on your fellow servant, as I had mercy on you?’ (34) And in anger his master delivered him to the jailers, until he should pay all his debt. (35) So also my heavenly Father will do to every one of you, if you do not forgive your brother from your heart.”

Colossians 2:13-14 ESV And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, (14) by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross.

Romans 4:7-8 ESV “Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven, and whose sins are covered; (8) blessed is the man against whom the Lord will not count his sin.”

Mark 11:25NLT  “When you stand praying, if you hold anything against anyone, forgive him, so that your Father in heaven may forgive you your sins.”

Colossians 3:13NLT “You must make allowance for each other's faults and forgive the person who offends you. Remember, the Lord forgave you, so you must forgive others.

Hebrews 8:12NLT “I will forgive their wrongdoings, and I will never again remember their sins," says the Lord.”

Matthew 6:14-15NLT  “If you forgive those who sin against you, your heavenly Father will forgive you. But if you refuse to forgive others, your Father will not forgive your sins.“

Ephesians 4:32NLT  “Instead, be kind to each other, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, just as God through Christ has forgiven you.”

Luke 6:37NLT  “Do not judge others, and you will not be judged. do not condemn others, or it will all come back against you. Forgive others, and you will be forgiven.”

Matthew 6:12NLT  “And forgive us our sins, as we have forgiven those who sin against us.”

Luke 18:9-14 NIV  The Parable of the Pharisee and Tax Collector

 9 To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everyone else, Jesus told this parable: 10 “Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11 The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other people—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.’

   13 “But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’

   14 “I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.”

Luke 6:42 NIV  “How can you say to your brother, 'Brother, let me take the speck out of your eye,' when you yourself fail to see the plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.”

47 posted on 11/18/2011 2:01:16 PM PST by true believer forever (First, they came for the rich.)
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To: true believer forever

wow, thats quite the “footnote” indeed. Well played. You obviously recognize the hypocrisy, the fake purity and the spirit of the Pharisee that was all over this thread today. Made me nauseus.


48 posted on 11/18/2011 2:09:42 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Moderator of Florida Tea Party Convention Presidential Debate)
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To: ontap

Okay, Is that article supposed to make me feel better about a man who CHEATED on his Wife.

The marriage vow is the most sacred vow a Man can take; To break it not once but twice disqualifies him in my book.

If his own wives can’t trust him; than neither can I. Period End of Story.


49 posted on 11/18/2011 3:22:58 PM PST by JohnKinAK
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To: JohnKinAK

glass houses.
throwing stones.
etc.
etc.


50 posted on 11/18/2011 3:25:29 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: longtermmemmory

Who the hell are you? I’ve never even come close to cheating on my wife.


51 posted on 11/18/2011 3:36:07 PM PST by JohnKinAK
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To: apillar
If a conservative having been divorced is such a problem for evangelicals, they better stop listening to Rush Limbaugh, he’s on marriage #4 and Ronald Reagan was divorced as well. While, it certainly would be nice if a candidate married his high school sweetheart and was faithful his entire life, for me at least, a divorce isn’t a deal breaker. I voting for the best leader, not husband of the year...

Amen to that! I mean, my God people, I'm not a Newt supporter but I'll vote for a friggin cockroach to get the Kenyan Marxist out. 4 more years of him and I'm convinced we won't have a country.

52 posted on 11/18/2011 3:40:59 PM PST by Marathoner (Occupy Wall Street = Useful Idiots on Parade)
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To: CynicalBear

Oh I forgive him, but I will never, ever vote for him.


53 posted on 11/18/2011 9:25:41 PM PST by RIghtwardHo
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To: SeekAndFind

Will not vote for him.


54 posted on 11/18/2011 9:39:06 PM PST by RIghtwardHo
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To: JohnKinAK

Follow your own path, but under your rules Mitt Romney and Barach Obama fit the bill. The marriage vow is a religious concept it holds no greater place than forgiveness. He has professed his past indiscretions and asked forgiveness. It is up to the individual to believe if he in sincere.


55 posted on 11/19/2011 4:55:26 AM PST by ontap
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To: RIghtwardHo
>>Oh I forgive him, but I will never, ever vote for him.<<

So it would be ok for God to say I forgive you but I don’t want anything to do with you?

56 posted on 11/19/2011 5:07:39 AM PST by CynicalBear
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To: SeekAndFind

His divorces do not bother me nearly as much as the economy does.


57 posted on 11/19/2011 8:15:19 AM PST by Grunthor (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0heL2Czeraw)
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To: Lou Budvis

Ooh...ouch, I love it.


58 posted on 11/19/2011 8:18:39 AM PST by Grunthor (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0heL2Czeraw)
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To: JohnKinAK
Finally, someone cuts to the essence of this invitation to the circular firing squad ... pretend to be more righteous than this particualr candidate so you end up having to vote for the LDS candidate because he's all that's left to oppose Obama ... because, as the DNC operatives will lecture you at FR, Milt Rominy has never been divorced.

Here's your sign:

59 posted on 11/19/2011 8:26:41 AM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they cannot be deceived, it's impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: org.whodat

And whom is it you support for the pubby nomination?


60 posted on 11/19/2011 8:29:31 AM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they cannot be deceived, it's impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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