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The Peak Oil Crisis: Transitioning to Cold Fusion
Falls Church News Press ^ | Nov 16 2011 | Tom Whipple

Posted on 11/16/2011 10:23:18 PM PST by Kevmo

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Here's a simpler explanation of the reaction, showing how 5 grams of transmuted nickel could generate 10 kW of thermal heat for 6 months, assuming 50% efficiency transforming the nuclear energy to heat:

http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=473

61 posted on 11/17/2011 8:51:04 AM PST by backwoods-engineer (Any politician who holds that the state accords rights is an oathbreaker and an "enemy... domestic.")
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To: Moonman62
It's impressive because the ecat has only operated for a few hours. It might be deposits, too. And when the guy comes out to replace Rossi's homemade isotopes every six months, what is he going to see? And is he going to have to scrape off the putty every time and replace it?

As much as I think this is a scam, I don't think that is a winning argument. He is working with prototypes; when it comes time to make the production ones. I'm sure things will change, not that I'll ever think he's going to get to that point.

As for the goo he's using as a gasket, I'm sure the production device will use a robust gasket that can take the temperature, pressure and whatever toxic brew (if there is any) inside. Diesel engine head gaskets take an incredible amount of abuse, I'm not worried about the replace ability of the Ecat materiel, if he's smart, he'll have it in cartridge form for them to make the swap easy and economical.

We should have a rating system for our posts that is at the bottom of the post. Something like:

SCAM.= S

REAL.= R

UNDECIDED.- Un

Or maybe at the top so people that don't want to, don't have to wade through posts that might give them the vapors.

62 posted on 11/17/2011 9:05:57 AM PST by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Moonman62
And when the guy comes out to replace Rossi's homemade isotopes every six months, what is he going to see?

It doesn't actually matter what the technician sees. All that matter is what you see and get out of this machine. If some heat exchangers corrode too much then I guess Rossi would have to replace them under warranty.

And is he going to have to scrape off the putty every time and replace it?

There are all kinds of gaskets in the world. A putty is something you use in a prototype because it requires no custom manufacturing and no grooves in joined parts, and it works with any compression (as long as the putty is not pushed out of the gap.) However if the device is designed for opening and closing then other gaskets may be more suitable. For example, your electric water heater (if you have one) has a screw-in heating element or two. These are sealed in the opening with a solid gasket. I don't remember what that was in my heater, but they can be made from various materials, from rubber to plastic to lead. The catch is that the gasket of this type requires a lot of pressure to be fully compressed, and that calls for a great number of screws. Clearly that's inconvenient in a prototype. But solid gaskets are used everywhere.

One example of semi-liquid gasket is the thermal grease that is applied to semiconductor parts before they are mounted onto a heatsink. This grease is poisonous (if it is Beryllium-based) and excellent at smearing on anything that you'd rather keep clean, and it has to be washed off with solvent and replaced when you reassemble parts. There are now solid thermal gaskets too, but the grease is just too convenient, and it is extremely cheap (1% of the price of a solid thermal interface.)

63 posted on 11/17/2011 9:56:20 AM PST by Greysard
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To: Kevmo

Peak oil os bullshit!!!!
We have at least 1000 years of oil here in the US!


64 posted on 11/17/2011 9:58:29 AM PST by dalereed (uity wise!)
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To: Lx

The putty isn’t the main problem. It’s all the deposits and corrosion that will be a problem. That ecat has only operated for a few hours.


65 posted on 11/17/2011 10:21:12 AM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: backwoods-engineer
You said:
Uh, wrong. There is very little correspondence between what Rossi purports to be doing and uranium isotope enrichment.
You're confused.

The quote (HERE) has nothing to do with the process within the E-Cat. It refers to what Rossi claims to do to the Nickel fuel before he puts it in the E-Cat. He says:
We buy regular Ni powder, then we make a treatment of it wich changes the isotopical composition.
Changing the "isotopic composition" is exactly the same process used to enrich, for example, Uranium. Rossi claims to be able to do this in a small, non-industrial basis, for pennies a gram, and in kilogram quantities. That would be enormously more valuable a process than the E-Cat.

Also note that the analysis HERE states that there were no changes from the natural isotope ratios in either the Nickel or the Copper.  This contradicts Rossi's statement about "enhancing" specific isotopes (unless, by "enhance" he means "draw little smiley faces on each atom").

You said:

Here's a simpler explanation of the reaction, showing how 5 grams of transmuted nickel could generate 10 kW of thermal heat for 6 months, assuming 50% efficiency transforming the nuclear energy to heat:

http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=473

Actually, that article contradicts Rossi's sample, as well. It posits that 58Ni (natural occurrence 68%) is being converted into 63Cu (natural occurrence 69%).  Rossi claimed (and provided a physical sample supposedly showing) that 30% of the Nickel had been transmuted into Copper within the E-Cat. If you assume that Bettini's paper is correct (and it is from Rossi's fake Journal, so Rossi must be endorsing it) then the resulting "ash" should have a seriously depeleted level of 58Ni, and have a significant excess of 63Cu.  But, again, the analysis showed only the natural ratios of isotopes for both elements.

Rossi's samples of both the unburned "fuel" and the "ash" directly contradict his claims to be "enhancing" the isotope ratio fuel as well as his claim to be transmuting the Nickel into Copper.  It also contradicts Bettini's conclusions.

Why doesn't Rossi's samples show any sort of non-natural isotope ratio?  Or any other indications of any sort of nuclear process occuring?  Because he couldn't fake that part of it.  I suspect that buying enriched isotopes of Nickel and Copper would be too expensive for a scam, as well as leaving open the possibility of Rossi being caught buying specific isotopes in order to "salt" his samples.

In contrast, Miley (LINK) has found 39 different non-natural isotope ratios in the "ash" of his LENR process.  That's impressive evidence of a nuclear process occurring.   Rossi doesn't have anything comparable.  All he has is natural Nickel and Copper, something he could have bought in a kid's chemistry set. 

66 posted on 11/17/2011 11:08:39 AM PST by Johnny B.
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To: Moonman62
Powder..patch..ball FIRE!

The putty isn’t the main problem. It’s all the deposits and corrosion that will be a problem. That ecat has only operated for a few hours.

How do you know what is a problem with the technology or not?
Oh thats right. YOU DON'T.

67 posted on 11/17/2011 11:17:22 AM PST by BallandPowder
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To: Moonman62

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Yes but in Rossi’s favor, I’m sure he can get an alloy that resists whatever corrosion is present. Nuke plants operate for years and I believe the actual reactor vessel is made of stainless steel. If I’m wrong, I’m sure someone will correct me.


68 posted on 11/17/2011 11:28:32 AM PST by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Moonman62

Whats a matter buddy? Weren’t you listening?
To: Moonman62
Powder..patch..ball FIRE!
It’s impressive because the ecat has only operated for a few hours. It might be deposits, too. And when the guy comes out to replace Rossi’s homemade isotopes every six months, what is he going to see? And is he going to have to scrape off the putty every time and replace it

IT IS A TEST PROTOTYPE. You are making specious comments to hide your ignorance or perhaps your belligerence.

If you were paying attention instead of just attempting to discredit, earlier articles on the subject stated that the units would be sealed

And if scraping putty is all I need to do to keep a fusion heater in my house for water and warmth I’d do it in a heartbeat.

39 posted on Thursday, November 17, 2011 9:30:31 AM by BallandPowder
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69 posted on 11/17/2011 12:55:03 PM PST by BallandPowder
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To: BallandPowder

Is Rossi still putting a self destruct device in the ecat?


70 posted on 11/17/2011 1:09:59 PM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Moonman62

Powder..patch..ball FIRE!

Still grasping at straws.


71 posted on 11/17/2011 1:12:30 PM PST by BallandPowder
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To: abigkahuna

Yeah, it would remove the reason for a hell of a lot of conflicts in the world, and send the ay-rabs back to the sandfleabitten bedouin lifestyle they so desperately seek to enforce on the rest of the world. And we could send theblue-eyed slave to tell that Saudi King that he can go “F” himself. Eat the oil.

(course we still use oil for almost everything we make these days, not to mention lubricants that will be very important in electric victors. )


72 posted on 11/17/2011 1:21:50 PM PST by ichabod1 (Nuts; A house divided against itself cannot stand.)
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73 posted on 11/17/2011 1:35:50 PM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: BallandPowder

Is Rossi still claiming that the fusion of nickel and hydrogen is exothermic?


74 posted on 11/17/2011 2:32:37 PM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: gleeaikin; Perdogg; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; ...

There’s no peak oil crisis, there’s an Obama-in-the-White-House crisis.


75 posted on 11/17/2011 8:08:18 PM PST by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Johnny B.

Rossi seems to be consistently picking partners with histories of gullibility and/or fraud.

***then explain Levi. Explain the Swedish Skeptics society. Explain focardi, and Josephson.


76 posted on 11/17/2011 10:04:04 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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So, Kevmo, have you ordered your E-Cat yet?
***I wish I could. But I can’t afford one. It would be worthwhile even if it were to prove Rossi’s a fraud.


77 posted on 11/17/2011 10:11:14 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Johnny B.

ignores the counter arguments.
***What I have found is that the hyperventilating skeptics are the ones who ignore the counter arguments.


78 posted on 11/17/2011 10:12:19 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Mycroft Holmes

Well said, other than this point:

or he has something going on out of sight.
***
That’s an argument from silence, invalid.


79 posted on 11/17/2011 10:15:10 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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***then explain Levi. Explain the Swedish Skeptics society. Explain focardi, and Josephson.
Here's the guy who invented the perpetual motion machine that is being "sold" by the same company that is now "selling" Rossi's gadget: Leslie_Szabó. HERE is another company "selling" his perpetual motion machine. In the "Certification Tests" page, they have signed affidavits from:

stating that his perpetual motion machine really, really works!

It's clear that scammers find it as easy to get academics to fall for their scams about as easy as they find it to get gullible investors and customers.

Explain why I should believe Rossi's professors, but not these professors.

80 posted on 11/18/2011 5:50:11 AM PST by Johnny B.
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