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Do Indians Hate America?
Bad Eagle ^ | November 13, 2011 | David Yeagley

Posted on 11/14/2011 5:39:10 PM PST by SJackson

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To: SJackson
It's complicated...

It is also probable that the USA could only have emerged on the North American continent, through our mutually shared ancestry of bloodshed, sweat and tears.
Perhaps we mixed breeds, who can all still trace our ancestors a few generations back to our original warring tribes, are more able to accept that life has changed for all of us.

It is what it is.

61 posted on 11/14/2011 9:06:53 PM PST by sarasmom
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To: SJackson

Not exactly sure what you are saying, but it sounds like, they knew their enlistment was not a safe thing. Considering most of them ended up in 0300 type MOS (infantry), I would agree. Had a few in the Air Wings, but not so many.


62 posted on 11/14/2011 10:04:44 PM PST by doorgunner69
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To: Billthedrill

And let’s not forget Commander Ernest Evans, captain of the destroyer USS Johnston.

Evans was born in Oklahoma, one half Cherokee and one quarter Creek.

He led the fight in the Battle off Samar, attacking a vastly superior Japanese task force. Three US destroyers, four destroyer escorts, and six small escort carriers took on a Japanese battlegroup consisting of four battleships, eight cruisers and eleven destroyers.

The audacity and aggression of Evan’s little task force stopped the Japanese in their tracks and sent them into retreat. The cost was the destruction of most of the little American fleet. The USS Johnston was lost and so was Ernest Evans, no one knows what his fate was. Evans was awarded the Medal of Honor by Harry Truman.


63 posted on 11/14/2011 10:30:52 PM PST by Pelham (Islam. The original Evil Empire)
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To: SJackson

I live with Indians, I work with Indians, and my son is one of the few non-Native kids in school. In general, most of these folks are fine people, with the exception of a few knuckleheaded bigots, most of whom were turned that way by a few years at the University of Alaska, or worse. On the other hand, the intermarriage rate between Indians and non-Indians is fabulously high, so it’s hard for an Indian to hate white people without running into their grandmother or dad face to face. Intermarriage is actually a fine way of tamping down racial antagonisms, and the kids tend to look beautiful.

Maybe it’s the weather up here - everyone hates that, so we have a common enemy. LOL

As far as serving in the Armed Forces, many Native kids up here serve with honor, and some of the most focused kids in school dream of flying jets with the Air Force or snuffing terrorists in the desert.

One more thing - the schooled Indian kids seem to understand that living inside the United States is a hell of a lot better than living inside China, or Japan, or Russia. Those kids in my class who read “One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich” had a real come-to-Jesus moment when they realized that their villages would have been the sites for the gulags if Seward hadn’t bought the territory for the Americans.

And if it was really awful, I would have moved away, like I did after that nasty year in California.


64 posted on 11/14/2011 10:33:46 PM PST by redpoll
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Thanks.

[Some Cherokee ancestry on both sides of the family, BTW. One was a chief, who was marched the long way to Oklahoma as an old man.]


65 posted on 11/14/2011 11:22:49 PM PST by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96)
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To: maine-iac7

If we permit our president to do such a thing we are weak and don’t deserve a great country anymore.

To the victor—and all that rot,as you say—is a fully established and historically documented fact.

Deal with it or perish is the earth’s lesson,not mine.


66 posted on 11/15/2011 3:02:54 AM PST by Happy Rain ( "Many of the most useful idiots of the Left are on the Right.")
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To: SJackson

Depends on the place.

In many Reservations if you are not red, don’t expect to be treated very well at first.

A lot of it depends on who is teaching the kids.


67 posted on 11/15/2011 5:17:56 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: elcid1970

Growing up where I did, you need to add Nebraska football.

We played Cowboys and Indians a lot. Never really paid much attention to who was what, except we all wanted to be Indians.

More fun.


68 posted on 11/15/2011 5:22:20 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: elcid1970
Looking back, it seems it was the NCAA that gave in to pressure from the groups and decided to start prohibiting Indian mascots.

A 2002 poll conducted by Sports Illustrated found that 75 percent of Native Americans polled had no problem with the team's (Redskins) nickname. Regardless, the lawsuits and appeals continue.

Here is an article that gives the current status of the controversy:

Native American Mascots: Honorable or Ignorant?

The (FSU) Seminoles have official permission from the two remaining Seminole Indian groups (the Seminole Tribe of Florida and Seminole Nation in Oklahoma) to use the name for their sports teams. It is the only official exemption for any sports team.

Florida State remains the only NCAA school exempt from a ban on Native American mascots.

69 posted on 11/15/2011 5:43:58 AM PST by Will88
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To: afraidfortherepublic

A surprise, this is not common knowledge.
As with so many interesting things, I picked this up from the gutter and googled for details.


70 posted on 11/15/2011 6:30:07 AM PST by DUMBGRUNT (The best is the enemy of the good!)
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To: SJackson

There were actually several stories from Papago.

Once a captured U-Boat crew got a map of Arizona, and saw that an “intermittent” river flowed from near Phoenix almost to the border of Mexico. So after escaping, they made a raft of tires to float down the river, only to discover that in Arizona “intermittent” meant “once every few decades or centuries, for a week”. They walked back to the camp.

At one point, an entire German musical band was captured, and were allowed to perform the halftime shows at high school football games, with donated instruments.

A thousand years ago, the Indians who lived in the Phoenix area had dug an extensive canal system from the Salt River, part of which went north through east-central Phoenix. When the white man arrived, some of these canals were cleared and used again to carry water. Some of the POW trustees were paid a small wage to clear the canals of silt in winter and weeds in summer, and by the end of the war were being paid minimum wage.

The American West, its cowboys and Indians, have long been a European fascination, and for the entertainment of the POWs, in their library at Papago were handwritten translations of the entire works of such western authors as Zane Grey.

Probably the most telling aspect of the Papago camp was that after the war, some 1/3rd of the POWs were alleged to have taken US citizenship and moved back to Phoenix and environs, finding it far more comfortable to live there than in post-war Germany. Those who did chose well, as the post-war boom continued uninterrupted in Phoenix pretty much to the present day.


71 posted on 11/15/2011 7:46:11 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: DUMBGRUNT
After the movie, J Edgar, Friday night, I googled Herbert Hoover to find out if he was any relation to J. Edgar Hoover (not). But, the life of Herbert Hoover was so interesting that I lingered to read all about it. The information about Charles Curtis just smacked me upside the head. I love history -- expecially about the White House -- and I can't imagine that I did not already know this. That I didn't learn it in school. I wonder if it was widely known while he was in office? Or, was it just one of those factoids that nobody discussed? Once somebody was fully assimilated in those days, it was not considered polite to discuss where they came from. You just ignored it.

Guess what else I learned? Herbert and Lou Hoover sometimes spoke in Mandarin Chinese in the White House to escape eavesdroppers! That just blows my mind! They'd both learned the language when Herbert was stationed in China as a young engineer when they were first married. If J. Edgar had the WH bugged, that probably really riled him and the FBI. LOL.

I wonder if George H.W. Bush and Barbara ever learned to communicate in Chinese?

72 posted on 11/15/2011 7:57:47 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Will88

The ban extends to generic words, such as “Warrior”. The Marquette University teams had to give up their mascot and name — the Warriors — and are now the Golden Eagles. Nobody likes it. TAfter one year, there was such a hue and cry that they held a vote among all the students and alumni. But they refused to consider the name WArrior. There was an off campus newspaper with an interest in taunting the administration, and they called themselves The Warrior.

My old high school in California is still called the Warriors, but they had to fight it all the way to the CA legislature, I understand.


73 posted on 11/15/2011 8:05:48 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Billthedrill
...They don’t hate America, they are America.

...Agreed. I don't hate America, I love it, it's just half the big government and big business usurpers that I hate!

74 posted on 11/15/2011 8:10:35 AM PST by gargoyle (...it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them...)
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