Posted on 11/07/2011 3:37:27 PM PST by STARWISE
bflr
Well, for all of his "inside" information, Pfarrer is obviously wrong here. The crash and subsequent explosive degrading of “Razor 2″ less than a mile from Pakistan's "West Point" blew the mission cover.
Here's my personal experience:
I saw the first FR post on the raid that claimed a former Rumsfeld had gone to the media claiming UBL had been killed a week earlier, nothing about a helo crash. I immediately went to my email to ask a PakMil contact what they knew. But there in my inbox was an email from that contact asking what I knew about a helo crash and degrade and he gave me the coordinates and event time.
Seeing that the event time was only about six hours earlier, I emailed another PakMil contact to see why there was a Pak helo scramble when Pak helos rarely ever fly at night (thinking the Pak's were on a raid). They told me there was no scramble, no jets, no helos, no raid, nothing from the Pak's.
That's when I realized it had to be a SEAL raid, no other operators could pull that off. I then started a new FR post citing a Pak media post about the helo crash and degrade and linking it to a supposed UBL raid by us not in Abbotabad, but in the mountains to the east, that was our military's original cover story. I stated that the original FR post was right and wrong, UBL was targeted, but not a week earlier, only six hours earlier. I posted the location of the crash in Abbotabad and Abotabad media links.
The FR mods pulled my post claiming that it was a duplicate and thus blew FR's shot at the biggest news scoop ever. The only thing I could do was start throwing comments into the original story, which I did.
Eventually other FR posters put up articles substantiating my pulled post. This is all in FR's database and in my user posting archives.
Regarding the rest of Pfarrer's story:
“An order to go in and murder someone in their house is not a lawful order,” explained Pfarrer.
Excuse me Mr. Pfarrer killing the enemy is most certainly a lawful order, armed or not.
Pfarrer bills the story as “absolutely factual.” He told TheDC that in order to protect American interests, his book is “full of names that are made up, and it is full of bases that are not quite where they really should be.” “But the timeline of my events,” he cautions, “and the manner in which it happened is 100 percent accurate. And they’ll know that.”
Pfarrer is correct in that there was a roof top assault but flat wrong on "Razor 2" tactical tasks. It always was intended to land in the courtyard and conduct a ground assault. It did crash and a backup helo was brought in joining Razor 1 in extracting the operators, including CIA that were in the mission. Contrary to what Pfarrer is saying.
That is common sense, that you would have CIA along as actionable intel ages within minutes and CIA operators and analysts are a critical link to potentially finding targets for drone strikes within hours of the raid.
Stuff it Andy, your skirt is up. ‘Neo-con”? Give me a break and stop with the liberal code words.....!
But Obama’s announcement, he said, “rendered moot all of the intelligence that was gathered from the nexus of al-Qaida. The computer drives, the hard drives, the videocasettes, the CDs, the thumb drives, everything. Before that could even be looked through, the political decision was made to take credit for the operation.”
Nuf said right there.
And...amen:
God bless, protect and hold dear our precious military. None better .. none! My heart aches for what they have to endure in this miserable term ...
Thanks gandalftb!
Three steps forward and two steps back still amounts to one step forward to me!
I’ll take any kind of success I can get.
Maybe he was killed on this mission, maybe he wasn’t. Maybe, we were going after something else (nukes?) or person when we lost a helicopter deep in Paki territory and a cover had to be fabricated.
It is strange that Obi was on the golf course when all this was happening, if it were really Osama.
I guess I just don’t trust our government any more.
Ok, but these things are bankrupting the country one mistep at a time. As we learn time after time after time, there is no shortcut to trained professionals [who, redunantly, know what they are doing and are allowed to do it].
Interesting.
BTTT
You do know that neo-con is what the neo-cons called themselves, right?
anti-AQ bump
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